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Because we live in a civilized society.
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Sounds like bullshit, to me. If it's on your property, why do you have to make up for other people's fuck ups that damage your property?
First of all, in many areas, the mailboxes are located on the roadside, using parish or city easement. Secondly, there's no law against having someone replace your mailbox when it's damaged by them. If the driver has insurance, it will generally pay for it. Thirdly, I'd much rather replace my wooden mailbox post than know that someone lost their life because they hit my concrete post.
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First of all, in many areas, the mailboxes are located on the roadside, using parish or city easement.
In that case, I agree with some regulations on them.
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Secondly, there's no law against having someone replace your mailbox when it's damaged by them. If the driver has insurance, it will generally pay for it. Thirdly, I'm much rather replace my wooden mailbox post than know that someone lost their life because they hit my concrete post.
Then you are free to buy a cardboard mailbox. As for others, I don't want laws (assuming mailbox is completely on their property) preventing them from getting a reinforced box, just like I don't want laws preventing people from getting reinforced doors, even if the box destroyer is expected to pay and even if the thief that knocks down your door is expected to replace it.
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Sounds like bullshit, to me. If it's on your property, why do you have to make up for other people's fuck ups that damage your property?
For the same reason you're liable if you have a vicious dog that tends to have a propensity to eat people. Owning propery doesn't give you the right to do things, through action or inaction, that could cause bodily inury to someone else. Just like someone who is missing front steps and a door to door sales man brakes his ankle on the missing step; guess who's liable?

Owning an insurance agency has it's advantages sometimes.

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For the same reason you're liable if you have a vicious dog that tends to have a propensity to eat people. Owning propery doesn't give you the right to do things, through action or inaction, that could cause bodily inury to someone else.
I have glass windows that could possible hurt a murderer if he tried to break in using his fist, and my car's windshield might break his hand if he tries to break in that way, am I liable?
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Just like someone who is missing front steps and a door to door sales man brakes his ankle on the missing step; guess who's liable?

Owning an insurance agency has it's advantages sometimes.

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Thirdly, I'd much rather replace my wooden mailbox post than know that someone lost their life because they hit my concrete post.
amen

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And like I said, I fully support Mrs. M's right to have a wooden mailbox or a windshield specifically designed to be thief-friendly.
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I have glass windows that could possible hurt a murderer if he tried to break in using his fist, and my car's windshield might break his hand if he tries to break in that way, am I liable?
Self defense is a far cry from allowing a hazardous condition to persist on your property.

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I have glass windows that could possible hurt a murderer if he tried to break in using his fist, and my car's windshield might break his hand if he tries to break in that way, am I liable?
Your problem is that you want to argue an unreasonable point of view. Most states require that a car have a windshield so if a thief breaks his hand, you did nothing malicious by obeying the requirements.
In the case of the mailboxes, accidents happen to innocent people and that's who the law is protecting with the breakaway posts. It's not in place to protect vandals so your arguments (as usual) are ridiculous.
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Self defense is a far cry from allowing a hazardous condition to persist on your property.

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Putting bricks/cement in a mailbox is only hazardous if a person insists on running over mailboxes.
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And like I said, I fully support Mrs. M's right to have a wooden mailbox or a windshield specifically designed to be thief-friendly.
I've seen colleagues sued because their employee sprained a wrist opening the office. Count yourself fortunate if you've not had to deal with any frivilous lawsuits. How about being sued because you fired someone who wasn't producing. Or how about this one; someone doesn't pay their insurance it cancels they crash then sue the insurance agent for not providing coverage. You have no idea.

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Putting bricks/cement in a mailbox is only hazardous if a person insists on running over mailboxes.
What if grandpa falls asleep at the wheel and runs into the mailbox? Or if it's raining and someone hydroplanes into it?

You really need some real world experience.

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I've seen colleagues sued because their employee sprained a wrist opening the office. Count yourself fortunate if you've not had to deal with any frivilous lawsuits. How about being sued because you fired someone who wasn't producing. Or how about this one; someone doesn't pay their insurance it cancels they crash then sue the insurance agent for not providing coverage. You have no idea.
Is steveox in your area?
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Self defense is a far cry from allowing a hazardous condition to persist on your property.

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Nah, the windshield is not protecting me, it's protecting my property (the car). Just like the reinforcements on the mailbox would protect my property (the mailbox and the mail in it).
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Nah, the windshield is not protecting me, it's protecting my property (the car). Just like the reinforcements on the mailbox would protect my property (the mailbox and the mail in it).
Wrong.

The windshield protects you from objects kicked up on the road, insects, and impaired vision from wind.
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