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Old 07-10-2007
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Bush Got D's in College, Get's F's in Nation Building

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Could we really, expect anything more from a D student? I think not.

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Official: Iraq gov't missed all targets

By ANNE FLAHERTY and ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writers 2 hours, 49 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A progress report on Iraq will conclude that the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad has not met any of its targets for political, economic and other reforms, speeding up the Bush administration's reckoning on what to do next, a U.S. official said Monday.

The "pivot point" for addressing the matter will no longer be Sept. 15, as initially envisioned, when a full report on Bush's so-called "surge" plan is due, but instead will come this week when the interim mid-July assessment is released, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft is still under discussion.

But another senior official said Bush's advisers, along with the president, decided last week there was not enough evidence from Iraq to justify a change now in current policy.

They had launched discussions about how to react to the erosion of support for the president's Iraq approach among prominent Republicans, that official said, and the debate was part of a broader search for a way out of a U.S. combat presence in Iraq by the end of Bush's presidency.

The second official said the decision was to wait for the September report — one originally proposed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other administration officials, and then enshrined into law by Congress — before deciding whether any course shift is warranted. The official spoke on condition of anonymity so he could talk more freely about internal deliberations.

The July report, required by law, is expected to be delivered to Capitol Hill by Thursday or Friday, as the Senate takes up a $649 billion defense policy bill and votes on a Democratic amendment ordering troop withdrawals to begin in 120 days.

The second administration official said the report "will present a picture of satisfactory progress on some benchmarks and not on others."

Also being drafted are several Republican-backed proposals that would force a new course in Iraq, including one by Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Ben Nelson, D-Neb., that would require U.S. troops to abandon combat missions. Collins and Nelson say their binding amendment would order the U.S. mission to focus on training the Iraqi security forces, targeting al-Qaida members and protecting Iraq's borders.

"My goal is to redefine the mission and set the stage for a significant but gradual drawdown of our troops next year," said Collins.

GOP support for the war has eroded steadily since Bush's decision in January to send some 30,000 additional troops to Iraq. At the time, Bush said the Iraqis agreed to meet certain benchmarks, such as enacting a law to divide the nation's oil reserves.

This spring, Congress agreed to continue funding the war through September but demanded that Bush certify on July 15 and again on Sept. 15 that the Iraqis were living up to their political promises or forgo U.S. aid dollars.

The official said it is highly unlikely that Bush will withhold or suspend aid to the Iraqis based on the report.

A draft version of the administration's progress report circulated among various government agencies in Washington on Monday.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow on Monday tried to lower expectations on the report, contending that all of the additional troops had just gotten in place and it would be unrealistic to expect major progress by now.

"You are not going to expect all the benchmarks to be met at the beginning of something," Snow said. "I'm not sure everyone's going to get an 'A' on the first report."

In recent weeks, the White House has tried to shore up eroding GOP support for the war.

Collins and five other GOP senators — Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Robert Bennett of Utah, John Sununu of New Hampshire and Pete Domenici of New Mexico — support separate legislation calling on Bush to adopt as U.S. policy recommendations by the Iraq Study Group, which identified a potential redeployment date of spring 2008.

Other prominent Republican senators, including Richard Lugar of Indiana, George Voinovich of Ohio, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Olympia Snowe of Maine, also say the U.S. should begin redeployments.

Several GOP stalwarts, including Sens. Ted Stevens of Alaska, Christopher Bond of Missouri, Jon Kyl of Arizona and James Inhofe of Oklahoma, said they still support Bush's Iraq strategy.

Kyl said he would try to focus this week's debate on preserving vital anti-terrorism programs, including the detention of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The defense bill is on track to expand the legal rights of those held at the military prison, and many Democrats want to propose legislation that would shut the facility.

"If Democrats use the defense authorization bill to pander to the far left at the expense of our national security, they should expect serious opposition from Republicans," Kyl said.

As the Senate debate began, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee arranged to run television commercials in four states, beginning Tuesday, to pressure Republicans on the war.

The ads are to run in Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota and New Hampshire, according to knowledgeable officials, but the DSCC so far has committed to spending a relatively small amount of money, less than $100,000 in all. Barring a change in plans that means the ads would not be seen widely in any of the four states.

The targets include Sens. Norm Coleman of Minnesota, Collins of Maine, Sununu of New Hampshire and the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. All face re-election next year.

The boost in troop levels in Iraq has increased the cost of war there and in Afghanistan to $12 billion a month, with the overall tally for Iraq alone nearing a half-trillion dollars, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, which provides research and analysis to lawmakers.

The figures call into question the Pentagon's estimate that the increase in troop strength and intensifying pace of operations in Baghdad and Anbar province would cost $5.6 billion through the end of September.

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I think Tony Snow (his name says it all) has got to be smokin' something; we are not in the beginning of the rebuilding of Iraq.

I think it's high time the Bush administration admit its failure at nation building, get down on its hands and knees, beg for forgiveness, and plead to the global community for help. It's time to send in the peace keepers, and get people with real nation building experience in charge.

That is probably a pipe dream on my part, but it is abundantly obvious that the Bush administration is not up to the task of rebuilding Iraq.
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Re: Bush Got D's in College, Get's F's in Nation Building

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Could we really, expect anything more from a D student? I think not.

A "D" student?
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A "D" student?
Why confused? We all know liberals tend to make things up as they go.

Incidentally Bush did better than Kerry in college.

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Why confused? We all know liberals tend to make things up as they go.

Incidentally Bush did better than Kerry in college.

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Regardless of his college grades Bush failed miserably in every business venture he attempted until the good old boys put him into a partnership using public funds where all he had to was be front man spokesman for a spectator sports team development until the under-appraised land appreciated and they sold it. That proneness to failure obviously followed him into the presidency where even giving him F grades is generous.
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Could we really, expect anything more from a D student? I think not.

That's actually incorrect. His GPA at Yale was 2.35 making him a "C" student.

His SAT score of ~1240 was very average as well.

His scholastic career was mediocre... there are a lot easier things to pick on besides his grades.... like perhaps his unsuccessful business ventures.

However the most compelling things that assess Bush are his actions and their consequences. Many of the things he's done fly against common sense and show a lack of wisdom or vision and the net consequences of his actions are overwelmingly negative for America and the world.

An assessment of his IQ is not really necessary in making the case that he's been a horrible president.
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That's actually incorrect. His GPA at Yale was 2.35 making him a "C" student.

His SAT score of ~1240 was very average as well.

His scholastic career was mediocre... there are a lot easier things to pick on besides his grades.... like perhaps his unsuccessful business ventures.

However the most compelling things that assess Bush are his actions and their consequences. Many of the things he's done fly against common sense and show a lack of wisdom or vision and the net consequences of his actions are overwelmingly negative for America and the world.

An assessment of his IQ is not really necessary in making the case that he's been a horrible president.
I find it hard to believe that Dubya's SAT score can be verified accurately. Collegeboard is very good at keeping it's secrets.
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Incidentally Bush did better than Kerry in college.
You have to love slavish partisanship. (Paraphrased) "It doesn't matter if my horse is a drooling idiot, so long as he's slightly smarter than your horse."

Really reaching for the stars there, huh varus?
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You have to love slavish partisanship. (Paraphrased) "It doesn't matter if my horse is a drooling idiot, so long as he's slightly smarter than your horse."

Really reaching for the stars there, huh varus?
Well imagine if Bush is such the fools all the libs think he is how worse off this country would be had Gore or Kerry won.

Incidentally Bush has been great for this country. We've deposed two tyrannical regimes. Inserted a military force in the heart of the ME, which incidentally happens to have vast reservoirs of oil. Had it not been for the Democrats, along with the liberal media, combined efforts to saboteauge Bush we might actually have a stable Democrat Iraq. Unfortunately the Dems care more about regaining power they're willing to sacrifice this country if that's what it takes.

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Well imagine if Bush is such the fools all the libs think he is how worse off this country would be had Gore or Kerry won.

Incidentally Bush has been great for this country. We've deposed two tyrannical regimes. Inserted a military force in the heart of the ME, which incidentally happens to have vast reservoirs of oil. Had it not been for the Democrats, along with the liberal media, combined efforts to saboteauge Bush we might actually have a stable Democrat Iraq. Unfortunately the Dems care more about regaining power they're willing to sacrifice this country if that's what it takes.

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Well imagine if Bush is such the fools all the libs think he is how worse off this country would be had Gore or Kerry won.
Your logic train is careening wildly from side to side, and in danger of crashing into the mountain. First of all, the introduction of Gore is a non-sequitur - no one was talking about him. Secondly, we have to assume the following for your contention here to make any sense:

1) Grades are a direct measure of intelligence.
2) Intelligence is a direct measure of ability to govern (and, by transitivity, grades during college are a direct measure of ability to govern)
3) Slight differences in grades decades ago would translate to a large difference in the well-being of the country (and nothing else, such as policy, diplomacy, perception, random luck, etc matters).

As you can see (but will probably petulantly ignore), your premise asks us to accept some wild, unfounded, and absurd propositions. Truth be told, you'd be better off saying "Republicans rule and democrats drool!" That way you'd earn style points by not wasting our time with the pretense of logical argument - it's hard to argue with someone who's cheerleading... what do you say?


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Incidentally Bush has been great for this country. We've deposed two tyrannical regimes. Inserted a military force in the heart of the ME, which incidentally happens to have vast reservoirs of oil. Had it not been for the Democrats, along with the liberal media, combined efforts to saboteauge Bush we might actually have a stable Democrat Iraq. Unfortunately the Dems care more about regaining power they're willing to sacrifice this country if that's what it takes.
"Give me a G, G! Give me a W, W! Give me a B, B!"

Yes, those Democrats with their green skin and their flying monkeys are constantly trying to stop George Bush in his noble quest for the Ruby Slippers. But you know what to do, varus - just clack your heels, close your eyes, tell yourself it's just a dream, and chant "There's no POTUS as dreamy as Dubya, there's no POTUS as dreamy as Dubya"
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Re: Bush Got D's in College, Get's F's in Nation Building

Wow, we're just figuring out that Bush is an idiot in 2007? What does that make us?
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Wow, we're just figuring out that Bush is an idiot in 2007? What does that make us?
If I was aware of that during the 2000 POTUS campaign, do I get a smiley face on my homework?
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I find it hard to believe that Dubya's SAT score can be verified accurately. Collegeboard is very good at keeping it's secrets.
Whether GWB's score was actually 1240 or 1100, it was still pretty below the Bar for Yale.

But once he got in, he got by. His educational record is not worth attacking.

All this talk about his intelligence would have been good campaign fodder back in '99 or '03, but now it's irrelevant. We elected the man in spite of his shortcomings.

The time for evaluating him based on his qualifications has passed and it's time to focus on evaluating him based on his job performance.

(Incidentally, my sig line is meant for comedic affect. I find Bush's lack of eloquence embarassing and I find his lack of common sense to be obvious.)
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Whether GWB's score was actually 1240 or 1100, it was still pretty below the Bar for Yale.

But once he got in, he got by. His educational record is not worth attacking.

All this talk about his intelligence would have been good campaign fodder back in '99 or '03, but now it's irrelevant. We elected the man in spite of his shortcomings.

The time for evaluating him based on his qualifications has passed and it's time to focus on evaluating him based on his job performance.
I agree actually. Education does not equal intelligence, and vice versa. Clearly Bush is an idiot.
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