Re- read what I said in post #78- and give it some thought this time.

Gem

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Ah...there you are, Gem. I haven't seen you around and I was wondering where you were.

Tethys

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PM or email me. I was wondering where you had gone too.

Gem

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There weren't a lot of car bombs going off in Iraq before we invaded. Do you think, if we left, that those would cease?

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At this point I'm not sure. I do believe the car bomb situation in Iraq wouldn't have developed if the Idiot-in Chief hadn't ordered the invasion though. As you just said, there weren't many- if any- car bombings happening in Iraq before the invasion. But there are now, obviously.

Smooth move, guys!

Gem

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It can't be argued that there wasn't violence, though. Hussein was brutal; we know this. Of course, back then, the brutal violence was state-sponsored...

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Good question, with equal applicability to Afghanistan. Without US military presence I'd think the internal warring entities would be able to hasten the winner take all inevitable result of civil war (be it one or three countries) and begin the road to economic stability using their oil wealth. As it is none of the involved entities are doing anything but fattening power holding personal pocketbooks through massive corruption encouraged by US example.

Yes, it was- especially when certain Kurdish sects were supporting Iran during the Iran/Iraq war, or certain foreign elements and leaders were talking certain Shi'ite sects into trying to assassinate Saddam.

Let me ask you this- how would you have felt if certain segments of our nation had supported another nation that our nation was at war with? And what would be your feelings towards certain segments of our nation if they were conspiring with another nation or its leader to assassinate our President? Would you find yourself feeling the same way towards them as Saddam did when it was happening in his nation or to him?

Sometimes it helps to step outside of yourself and try putting yourself in someone else's shoes, Steve.

I will agree that Saddam&CO were brutal and murderous dictators though. The world has many of them, but, unfortunately, we can't tackle, police or hold and govern the entire world. That's one of the main things the Bush supporting conservatives couldn't get their heads around- even if US liberal lefties did.

Gem

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Another point could be made that yes indeed, Hussien was a brutal A-hole. But the atrocities were perpetrated by him, with no backing of the US. Since the invasion, the atrocities bear a stamp of "Made in the USA", at least to the degree that we are responsible for security in Iraq to a great extent. This is the blow-back factor, we can't completely wash our hands of it.

That's a very good point, Subaru. Well said.

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Yes indeed. Their records show that the government would fill mass graves and then had the audacity to send a bill for the bullets to the family of the victims....if there was any survivors in the family.

And many times they probably just buried them alive and just sent a bill for the bullet anyways.

But of course that is a socialist paradise according to the leftists. It is their idea of accountability.

Leftists love people like Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot because they are the most successful leftists in the world.

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Bullshit.

Can you demonstrate any of this?

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