It's not the technology the gov't has that worries many freedom loving people: it's the underhanded use of the gov't for writing laws in backrooms and passing those laws without debate in the middle of the night.

George W. says you shouldn't trust the gov't, yet he doesn't practice that.

If the shoe were on the other foot, Steve, and Hillary were the President, and she was having her shadow gov't operate while you sleep so they could pass laws to spy on you without a warrant, you'd call it communist.

How is this any different because the leader of your team is doing it? I think you're a blind man. You don't even deserve your freedom. And it's your guy who would help keep the illegals here, by the way.

Google earth is not from spy satellites. It's not high enough resolution to identify a car, much less a person.

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What about walking on my own property? Do you think that these satellites will be limited to public areas?

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
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Because the government is expanding its capabilities to observe you when you are on private property doing private things.

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Couple notes.

First, you are completely correct with regard to the problems with these new surveillance laws, and about the potential for future abuse.

But with respect to illegal immigration, you cannot reasonable lay the blame on one party or the other. Both the Democrats and Republicans are extremely soft on immigration enforcement.

Matt

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Thanks for letting me know what I would call it.

I wouldn't call it that, of course, but go ahead and believe I would if you need to do that...

"My team"?

I don't know how many times I've said this, but I don't have a "team". I see good and bad in both parties. I needn't be partisan as you are, and conclude that, if someone agree with what a President does, that the President is on my "team"...

Says the guy who's missed the more than two dozen times I've said, in threads he's participated in, that I don't have a "team"...

Really? And you're the arbiter of who should have it and who should not?

I appreciate the fact that you're incapable of grasping the fact that someone can both agree and disagree with various things a President might do. One of my biggest criticisms of this President has been his absolute failure to secure our borders. I've been quite vocal about that.

You, on the other hand, are clearly the type of person who believes that, if someone agrees with a President on one thing, that can be extrapolated to mean that the person agrees with that President on all things.

Sorry, but I obviously don't spend as much time around the kool-aid bowl as you do...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Examples, please...

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Fuck the satellites, it’s the hidden cams placed (will be placed) throughout the major cities that’ll capture you on film.

I say use the satellites, they can help in policing criminal suspects. Also, I’m fairly sure that there are not enough satellites to monitor people’s activities on a grander scale. I’d also be surprised if they haven’t used them before now.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Wouldn't it be pretty expensive to use a satellite to monitor someone? Wouldn't this mean that they'd mostly use this sort of surveillance in high profile cases? Just a thought. I don't have much faith in the government (whether it's Democrat or Republican), but I'd imagine the cost of using the satellites might keep them in check.

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Good point.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

The government has an amazing capacity to waste dollars.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

No doubt. I also wonder how many satellites they have to employ, though. If they only have a dozen satellites, that also might limit their use.

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I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Personally I don't think that this is a violation of the 4th amendment at all. All they will be able to see with these satelites is if you are on the street or not and where you go there. Having someone watch you while you walk is hardly a violation of the 4th amendment. If it were, then why would undercover police or private detectives be allowed to tail you. If they try to install a camera in your house that would be a different matter since now they have come into your home without a warrant but that is not the issue.

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Anytime you're potentially "in view" of another person, you have no expectation of privacy...

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I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion. There is nothing to stop a satellite from observing you on private property as long as you are not under a roof. What if my wife won't have sex in the backyard with me any more because she's afraid the feds are watching?

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