While Bush may be doing the right thing for the right (allegedly) reasons, he is still a hypocrite due to that action when you keep in mind his other actions.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

Isn't the cost of the war, only slightly higher than normal operating costs of the military? I mean it costs billions of dollars just to keep the military paid and in uniforms even without a war, doesn't it?

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Anyone ask Hillary what kind of underwear she wears, yet?

Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

I don't know, but I would guess keeping the military supplied IN IRAQ, while at the same time keeping in power the Iraqi puppet government, costs a substantial amount. I would also guess that they expend more supplies when in action.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

Unless it's changed since I was in, people in the military pay for their own uniforms...

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Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":

I think to an extent, although I did read somewhere that the US "defence" budget is larger than the defence budgets of Russia, China, France Britain and Germany combined. Kind of seems like "overkill" to me.

Edit - I found a link to what I mentioned above. World Military Spending - Global Issues. It seems that the USA accounts for roughly about 40% of the world's total military expenditure.

Seems pretty disgusting to taking the fonders words and using them on sick kids. If this is where we have come to then it is time to have a good look at ourselves.

$30bn dollars is not a huge amount of money, it's a month in Iraq at the moment. a year in Iraq will pay for this for 12 years.

This whole thing comes back to a social health policy. If the idealogs on this web believe truely in there no goverment involvement then they should also ask for the disbandment of the police, fire fighters, millitary and all social programs. Because criminals should pay for the police and we should all have a miltia in every community...

The truth of it is balance. Goverment involvement in our way of life should be to benefit society. If they help society having goverment involvement then so be it. Privatisation is not the be all and end all to world problems. Somethings don't react well to the the market forces system. Health being one. Just look at the other socialised health systems in the world which are providing supieor services for less money.

I believe there is people here who have not understood that most people's lack of freedom comes form economic slavery rather than goverment supression. If you go to a third world country and see indebentured slavery you would know what I mean.

True freedom relies on the your goverment supporting your right to change jobs without putting your children at risk of getting sick with no coverage. Not to fear walking down the street because the police are so underfunded they can't secure your safety(go to South Africa and live on a compound with private security firms).

But children of all deserve these freedoms. They deserve the chance of top level education if they work hard. They should not be restricted by the the size of the wallet of there parents. Educating the kids who have shown in the early life the attitude to work hard is far fairer than a kid who has a rich dad. He will pay it back many times over in the tax you collect from his higher earning power.

So stop targeting sick kids!

How much Republican support did/does this bill receive? From the transcript of W's radio address and other media I've seen, one would never know that any Republican lawmakers are in agreement with the bill.

Whether this bill ever passes or not, something must be done. If not by W, then certainly by whatever Democrat takes the Oval office. Health insurance is not cheap. Health insurance for people who live paycheck to paycheck is not affordable. I'm not referring to welfare cases, either.

Regardless, if the bill is worthwhile, a Presidential veto can and will be overridden by Congress. That's why I'm curious about the number of Republican votes... I don't know enough of the details yet to argue one way or the other, but it should get interesting.

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i dont see how any libertarian or conservative thinks its the goverments job to provide healthcare period.

Some of us still do believe in the free market.

We need less goverment not more goverment.

On this we differ from democrats its a core issue.

IF WE GAVE EVERYONE 100K THAT IS POOR IN AMERICA WITHIN 3 YEARS THERE WOULD BE THAT MANY POOR TO REPLACE THEM. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE RICH AND ALWAYS BE POOR AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH GOVERMENT YOU CREATE THAT WONT CHANGE.

SORRY hard to type with toddler and a baby in my arms sorry for caps lock im not angry

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

even if the free market prevents the sick among us from receiving basic medical care?

in the long run, limited or no access to preventative health care costs more than providing for coverage in the first place. it's why costs are so outrageous now. routine check-ups or cold and flu problems are treated in emergency rooms. give basic health care insurance to everyone, that slows to a crawl.

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The House had nowhere near enough passing votes to override a veto.

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

President George W. Bush, 8-5-2004

Carolina Politics Online

THIS IS REAL HOPE AND CHANGE!

It is the job of the government to provide for the common good. This issue can be argued well on both sides, I think.

The folks against it will have a louder voice, I think. Those who can't afford to provide health insurance for their families (becuase it is EXPENSIVE!!) probably don't have much time to post their thoughts on message boards and have a general disappointment at this time for our government and its apparent disinterest in any social program.

I couldn't easily afford it if my company weren't paying it. I'm in sales and business has taken a nose dive this year. People just don't have the kind of money they had not long ago. As a result, I don't either.

A lower middle class family will commonly have to choose what bill not to pay now and when forced to decide between bread and an insurance payment, bread will win.

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I actually agree in some respects. Since I've never been to war, and I don't plan on going to war anytime soon, I think we should get read of the Department of Veteran's Affairs.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

.........Why?

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

It's unfair for the government to provide people with extremely well paying jobs and pensions with healthcare at taxpayer expense.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I wonder how many trumpeting against national health care would change positions if their employer paid health insurance was discontinued and they experienced the impossible for most cost of providing it on their own? Or actually understood why US health care is so much more expensive than that of other nations?