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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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...it was designed to serve grew expedientially ?
That's not even a word.

Did you mean to say "expediently" or "exponentially"?
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That's not even a word.
It is an adverb which could well be applied to current administration:

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That's not even a word.

Did you mean to say "expediently" or "exponentially"?
LOL nice way to go off-topic

I bet you used to stay after school, being teachers pet and spell check your fellow students papers too !



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LOL nice way to go off-topic

I bet you used to stay after school, being teachers pet and spell check your fellow students papers too !



Finding old habits die hard ?
Based on your spelling ability when it comes to simple words, you didn't spend enough time in school.

But I really wonder whether or not "exponentially" would've been a better word to use...
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Imperator, I have a direct question for you, I'd appreciate an honest answer.

Imagine, this very moment captured in time:
300 Million citizens reside in America, one third of these citizens goes to sleep hungry more nights in a week than nourished.
A program is designed to provide atleast one meal per day for the poor.
It's mandate is to provide 100 million people with a meal-a-day.

Fast forward six month:
In the past six months, 50 million people have joined the ranks of hungry citizens.

~@~ Are you in favor of maintaining the status quo and adhering to the mandate of the proposed solution?
Would you remain steadfast and not provide more needed assistance to the hungry because the population it was designed to serve grew expedientially ?

First this presumptive “honest answer”...what constitutes an honest answer? Something that agrees with your outlook? I always attempt to provide honest answers...anyway..

Fist 100 million people or your proposed %, here don’t go to sleep hungry at night or are absent health care etc...not even close .....so your hypothesis is , well not even remotely applicable regards getting to some type of logical answer...

But I’ll play along; IF that were so, we should, if capable provide some type of succor...NOT a hand out, but the old teach a person to fish they feed themselves forever regards feeding them for a day if you give them a fish...if others growing up, joined ther ranks, I would apply the same mechanism....and of course, fixing the root cause of the problem regards how this came to be in the first place.

Your exponential is just a little to wild for me and I am trying to figure out how this is connected to 10 million folk’s not getting health care other than emergency room services......
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First this presumptive “honest answer”...what constitutes an honest answer? Something that agrees with your outlook? I always attempt to provide honest answers...anyway..

Fist 100 million people or your proposed %, here don’t go to sleep hungry at night or are absent health care etc...not even close .....so your hypothesis is , well not even remotely applicable regards getting to some type of logical answer...

But I’ll play along; IF that were so, we should, if capable provide some type of succor...NOT a hand out, but the old teach a person to fish they feed themselves forever regards feeding them for a day if you give them a fish...if others growing up, joined ther ranks, I would apply the same mechanism....and of course, fixing the root cause of the problem regards how this came to be in the first place.

Your exponential is just a little to wild for me and I am trying to figure out how this is connected to 10 million folk’s not getting health care other than emergency room services......
My question was regarding your claim to never exceed a programs mandate.

BTW, since my question was a hypothetical one, I took liberty to use round whole numbers. Sorry if that confused you !
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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My question was regarding your claim to never exceed a programs mandate.
Such a program wouldn't use numbers of citizens anyway. It would achieve a standard, or a cut-off limit for recipients. For example, a certain social program would cover everyone under an income level of, say, $50,000 a year.
Such a mandate would NOT cover X number of people.

Good thing that WAS a hypothetical.
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The military and military pensions wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the working, civilian population whose tax dollars are stolen to finance the leeches that can't get a job without the military.
Spoken like a true blue pussy who'd never last 24 hrs in the military.
And once again, you don't pay our taxes so tough shit.....Just be glad that our taxes and our military help to protect your own ass.
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I don't know. Thus far, very little in the way of facts has been offered here.

I'm given a modest pension in return for my 20 years of service. Yes, that money comes to me from the government.
LOL, finally Steve admits that US taxpayers are subsidizing him.

Dunno if Steve will also acknowledge that while adults have a choice between a life where they can earn their own keep (i. e. business owner, business employee) vs. a life where they will be mooching off taxpayers (i. e. military service), poor children do not have a choice. There is no way a small child can go earn a living to help cover his/her medical expenses, if his/her parents can't afford it or don't want to pay for it. Anyone who would suggest that it is somehow a poor kids' fault for not having the resources to pay his/her med bills needs a brain transplant.

In any society that places emphasis on individual responsibility, it is a monumental waste of money to have to subsidize those who made poor choices in life that caused them to need public monies (i. e. ex-military members), but it is hardly a waste to subsidize those who, because of circumstances beyond their control, cannot completely take care of themselves (i. e. children). The former is subsidizing irresponsibility. The latter is merely helping those who can't help themselves.
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Spoken like a true blue pussy who'd never last 24 hrs in the military.


Any idiot can get in the military. I think I've posted some 124,678 times the tremendously lame requirements for military entry (where high school dropouts, ex-cons, and even those who flunk the ASVAB can get in with waivers).

Earning a living--convincing other individuals that you can provide a service valuable enough for them to voluntarily give you money, OTOH, is far more difficult--and actually requires some brains and discipline (a decent education, for starters).

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And once again, you don't pay our taxes so tough shit.....Just be glad that our taxes and our military help to protect your own ass.
Please explain how blowing up buildings, bridges, etc. in Third World countries that are of no credible threat to the US protects us.
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Any idiot can get in the military. I think I've posted some 124,678 times the tremendously lame requirements for military entry .

I wonder why they turned you down then.

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Maybe compared to a pack of third graders, but not among us adults...
They are intelligent posts among many things, third graders included. What you are making are a bunch of ad hominem, trolling posts that would make a first grader ashamed.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

Bush made an excellent decision to smack down the bill. The bill was not all about "childrens health care" in the first place.

The title of the bill misled the ignorant people.

If the bill was appropriatly named it would have simply been called the anti-child act.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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LOL, finally Steve admits that US taxpayers are subsidizing him.
Um, I never said anything differently.

What is different, is why I get that money. I get it because I served and retired from the military. Now, you might not like that I get it, but I don't really give a fuck. Had I gotten out of the service after 16 years, I wouldn't get it...

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Dunno if Steve will also acknowledge that while adults have a choice between a life where they can earn their own keep (i. e. business owner, business employee) vs. a life where they will be mooching off taxpayers (i. e. military service), poor children do not have a choice. There is no way a small child can go earn a living to help cover his/her medical expenses, if his/her parents can't afford it or don't want to pay for it. Anyone who would suggest that it is somehow a poor kids' fault for not having the resources to pay his/her med bills needs a brain transplant.
Of course I'll acknowledge that.

The difference, though, is that you simply want to absolve the parents of all responsibility. First and foremost, the parents should be the ones to provide it. Before their children get government health care, what's wrong with requiring the parents to exhaust all avenues to provide it on their own?

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In any society that places emphasis on individual responsibility, it is a monumental waste of money to have to subsidize those who made poor choices in life that caused them to need public monies (i. e. ex-military members)
If it wasn't for people like me who made that choice, you'd have grown up speaking German. I'm having a real hard time finding where my decision to join the military was a poor choice...

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but it is hardly a waste to subsidize those who, because of circumstances beyond their control, cannot completely take care of themselves (i. e. children). The former is subsidizing irresponsibility. The latter is merely helping those who can't help themselves.
The responsibilty for a child, first, lies with the parents. Period. Perhaps we should just allow the government to go ahead and raise our kids for us. If you should ever be lucky enough to have a child (of course, you'll need to find a man first), wouldn't you just love having them tell you how to raise your child?
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The responsibilty for a child, first, lies with the parents. Period. Perhaps we should just allow the government to go ahead and raise our kids for us. If you should ever be lucky enough to have a child (of course, you'll need to find a man first), wouldn't you just love having them tell you how to raise your child?
You mean like this woman who's health insurance won't cover the cost of her cancer treatments? The insurance that she can afford doesn't even continue to offer her cancer treatment. What if she had kids that required assistance? Should she get a second or third job while fighting cancer? Would that be good enough for you?

TheStar.com | News | Desperately seeking medicare

For nine years she has fought breast cancer and the slow decline of her bones and body. There are times when she feels fine, but always pressing against her is the fight she cannot win. Her life savings are draining away as she pays higher and higher medical bills.

The "last hope" insurance she has costs $800 a month. It covers her treatments, which total $300,000 a year – a burden she will have to bear once her insurance runs out in less than three years.


"It's short-sighted of people to say that she can't come up here to use the health-care system, which is one of our greatest legacies," says Ankenmann.

"Some of the Canadians who are complaining about her think nothing about going down to shop in the U.S. to buy cheese and milk and clothes because it's cheaper and they think our taxes are too high. We should open our hearts to all who need help."

Laurie Kingston, a blogger in Ottawa who also has breast cancer, says Sather's website made her realize how much difference a border can make.

"We're not choosing between my kids and their after-school activities and mama's health care and that's a choice Americans are making every day," she says.

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