Why should the taxpayer be responsible for training you?


Taxpayer subsidized for 20 years ladies and gentleman. Yet supports vetoing taxpayer supported health care for children.

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Precisely. I keep asking you why you're making a child responsible for choices of parents? An ignored child as an ignored child regardless of what the household income is.

Do you agree that a wealthy parent ignoring a child or a poor parent ignoring a child is still a child ignored? Now, why do YOU want to ignore the child?

You never provide an answer as to why you want to deny children health care because of the choices of adults? Why do you make small children responsible for things beyond their control?



You received 20 years of taxpayer subsidized health care, food and shelter.

Why are you entitled to those things but the very people who pay to provide those things to the military aren't entitled to the same privileges?

Looks like the veto stands.

House fails to override Bush veto of child insurance bill - CNN.com

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Apples and oranges.
He performed a service to the United States Government (read taxpayers) and recieved compensation for that service as laid out in the contract between him and the government.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

You seem to be unable to differentiate between employment and subsidy.

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Um, because they were my employer. They were the ones for whom I providing a service.

Why wouldn't they be responsible for training me?

Your first sentence is assinine. I was paid for performing a job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your second is accurate. I do support the veto...

Please show me where I've said the child is responsible.

Oh, wait, I didn't.

Please stop making shit up. Thanks so much...

Yep...

I don't. I want to bury a boot in the parent's ass to get them to take care of their children, as I have taken care of mine...

Again with the fabricated bullshit.

Show me where I said I'm against healthcare for children, or be reported for baiting...

I don't.

However, you seem to believe that, unless someone is willing to throw money at a problem, they're against something. That's not even close to reality...





You received 20 years of taxpayer subsidized health care, food and shelter.

Why are you entitled to those things but the very people who pay to provide those things to the military aren't entitled to the same privileges?[/quote]

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Steve you were part of the most bloated part of big goverment, defense. You took advantage of this big goverment handout for your job at the expense of of other areas of Goverment.

Steve you were not against Child healthcare, you just took there money and then say that Children should fend for themselves or extract it from there parents.

Now Parents have three possible reasons for not paying for there chidrens health care
1. They can't afford it. Through mistake or unfortunate decisions in life they can either afford food, shelter and/or healthcare for there children. It is as simple as that.

2. That parents don't want to provide them healthcare for two reasons:

They wasnt nothing to do with there kids. We should not force people to become parents, it usually ends up with pretty fucked up and abused kids. If you can find after they abandon them and force them to pay well done.

The parents spend the money on going on vacation and consider it more important. This is just incredible bad parenting and the state would have to judge are these even fit parents and shouldn't they just garnish the parents wages for their child healthcare anyway.

I do believe this is one of the most confused posts to ever appear on this forum.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

He vetoed it because it was too stupid. (AND too costly)

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Really? They receive free health care, free meals and free training.

Ask Steve if he turned down the free health care while in the military and paid for his own health insurance. If that's not subsidized health care, then what is it?

By choosing the join the military Steve obligated the taxpayer to support their own health care, their family's health care as well as Steve's health care for 20 years.

By choosing the join the military Steve obligated the taxpayer to feed themselves, their own family as well as pay for Steve's meals.


In the real-world we need to train ourselves. I didn't walk into my employer and demand that they pay for a marketing degree. I had to pay for that myself. My employer didn't pay for computer courses. I had to learn Word and Excel myself. I had to pay for courses. Steve didn't. His training was paid for by the government, provided by the taxpayer.

How many people here go to work and receive free food every day? How many people here have had their employer pay for 20 years worth of education and training?

So why is Steve entitled to all of this taxpayer support but will support the vetoing of a bill for taxpayer subsidized health care for children? That's blatant hypocrisy. It would take an extreme bias to perceive it otherwise.

So would you say you are employed by the porn industry, or "subsidized" by it?

My employer pays for my ongoing training. They pay my health care and my salary. Am I "subsidized" by my private-sector employer?

I think the problem here is that you are misusing the word "free". As a member of the armed forces, Steve had to perform certain job functions in return for the benefits he received. In other words, he was employed by the military.

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Is this really that hard to understand? Steve, like myself, performed a service for the United States Government. We were EMPLOYEES. We recieved pay and benefits in exchange for work. All the benefits you listed were part of the employment contract. Did you sign a employment contract with your current employer, in which your wages and benefits are all laid out? We did the same. It just so happens that our former employer (US Government) offered more benefits in exhange for our services than most places.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

I take my pay and go and purchase my own meals, shelter, beer and scotch. I get my porn for free so that is a benefit.

Did Steve take his military pay and go and purchase his own meals, shelter and health care premiums?

Nope. Yet he expects others too. That's hypocrisy. You can try and wriggle out of it all you want, but that's the truth.

Every taxpayer has been working for the government from the day they earned their first legit paycheque. Steve lived off their hard work for 20 years while they supported themselves, their family AND Steve. Now that they're having a little trouble and need some of their own money back, he says no, you can't have it until I've decided that you've worked hard enough for it.

Just a tad arrogant, no?

You must be fucking retarded. Meals, shelther, health care, etc.... are all part of your wages and benefits while in the US military, as laid out in the employment contract. A service member gets them for WORKING. They are not handed out. The US Government offers these benefits for two reasons.

1. Basic military pay, alone, is not enough to live off. Therefore, they make up for it by offering better benefits. They help reduce your living costs.
2. They are employment incentives. They make the option of military service more competitive in the job market.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

No, it's half of the truth, spun in a highly deceptive way. You deliberately ignore the quid pro quo in the relationship between the military and the servicemember.