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Old 09-26-2007
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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It seems simple for many posters who have health care to place it in a position of 'earn it or go without'.
Not all of us posters are insured. I am currently uninsured and have been so for about a year now. Even so, I still oppose socialized health care. (I suppose I should say that I'm not insured yet because I am currently looking into my options as far as buying my own insurance goes.)
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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One of two things would happen.

1. Fire the employees, you can always find someone who will take the job.

2. Actually give insurance to the employees. In which case prices at Wal Mart will go through the roof, and ordinary folks will go to Cosco, Meijer's, or some other big box store to buy thier cheap Chinese junk. Wal mart will then go out of business.

Either way, the workers will not have coverage.
Well you may or may not be correct but I'm betting that nether would occur, "IF" done correctly.

"IF" the employees plan and execute it right, Wal-Mart wouldn't have a choice but to listen to them......IE: all go at the same time on a thursday.

Wal-Mart has such a high volume of employees that they'd qualify for special pricing...given that and the amount of merchandise they handle, the cost to the consumer would be minimal. Less not forget that if Wal-Mart offers up insurance, I would think that the remainder businesses would eventually be forced to follow.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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look at gm ..

they are on strike

I heard on the news i think for every 1 person putting into the union 7 are retired taking fromt the 1 putting in... how long do you think the young will put up with that ? i did not hear the whole situtation had to do with healthcare.

I think your walmart scenario holds true.

I think gm needs to draw the line also.
GM, and the rest of the auto unions, is a prime example of when unions go bad....I hope the dumb fucks loose everything, the greedy morons.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Tobacco a Schedule 1 drug? Hmm, having tried many Schedule 1 drugs, I'd have to say that tobacco is the most addictive, .
Yea, no shit....tell us something we didn't know.
If tobacco is the most additive, then why so many?
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

the left looooves tobacco they love to tax the poor through it ....

Duck for cover but true

Most people that smoke are the poor and most taxes are on cigarettes for social type programs etc :P

they cant ban them or those programs would go away...

i agree on gm they are going to force the companies to export jobs ... just makes sense cheaper to buuild in non union countries etc.

Its ok mexico needs good jobs so they dont come to america
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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This position is perfectly understandable but flawed IMO. It would work great if those without insurance were actually denied health care. Of course, in our liberal bed wetting society anyone who shows up at an emergency room is treated, insurance or not. So those who are harder working end up paying for the bums anyhow, since the care recieved must be paid for by someone.

If we had the gumption to turn those without insurance away, and let them die without any health care at all, it would make sense.
I agree. It's the only logical conclusion to the argument that costs for those who cannot afford health- care, should not be levied on those who can, in any form. The sick underclass must go!
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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One of two things would happen.

1. Fire the employees, you can always find someone who will take the job.

2. Actually give insurance to the employees. In which case prices at Wal Mart will go through the roof, and ordinary folks will go to Cosco, Meijer's, or some other big box store to buy thier cheap Chinese junk. Wal mart will then go out of business.

Either way, the workers will not have coverage.
Why should any business have to provide health insurance? What stops the employee from purchasing it with their own wages? I bet thats what many of Walmarts employees do.
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Why should any business have to provide health insurance? What stops the employee from purchasing it with their own wages? I bet thats what many of Walmarts employees do.

How dare you sir ask any american to pay for something.. everything should be free ... healthcare ,college education, child care, housing, concentration camps for the rich, free houses for people to cheap to buy insurance and lost it in a natural disaster while others paid for insurance the silent majority, bail out for those that ran up their debt, credit cards ,mortgages they cant afford while others lived frugal and saved
.. we need more free hand outs ... all should be free.

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I think i summoned up 80% the posters we that think logically are evil tyrants with no compassion for others mistakes or poor choices... we should be emotionally bound to their servitude of the whine, cry, why me, help status.

personal responsibility is so old thinking. we need to be reducated to the marxist mentality. self reliiance is bad think for the collective good of the masses.
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Ok, really. Enough sarcasm.
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personal responsibility is so old thinking. we need to be reducated to the marxist mentality. self reliiance is bad think for the collective good of the masses.
The point was that the argument made in opposition to this program is not based on ideology. It's based on a technical observation on whether the cost is levied by corporations regulated strongly by the state (good), or if the cost is levied by the state (bad).

So before blowing the horn on "marxist" mentality, it would really be an idea to look at what you're actually defending as "market based" first. That's the point.

But.. is the program a good idea? If certain people could lay off the republican nomenclature for a short while, I'm sure it would be at least possible to discuss it.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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The point was that the argument made in opposition to this program is not based on ideology. It's based on a technical observation on whether the cost is levied by corporations regulated strongly by the state (good), or if the cost is levied by the state (bad).

So before blowing the horn on "marxist" mentality, it would really be an idea to look at what you're actually defending as "market based" first. That's the point.

But.. is the program a good idea? If certain people could lay off the republican nomenclature for a short while, I'm sure it would be at least possible to discuss it.
Emotional slogans seem to be a common form of expression for those who substitute blind loyalty for critical thinking regardless of the subject.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

They're nothing but obstructionists, not really interested in solutions.

They're only solution is the "free market;" which as anyone who knows anything about the reality of the "free market" mentality knows just how hollow those arguments are.

They can muster some utopian philosophy on paper, and it's worth less than the paper it's written on.
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They're nothing but obstructionists, not really interested in solutions.

They're only solution is the "free market;" which as anyone who knows anything about the reality of the "free market" mentality knows just how hollow those arguments are.

They can muster some utopian philosophy on paper, and it's worth less than the paper it's written on.
You mean the same people who who proclaim non-existent free trade and tariffs to protect inefficient US businesses in the same breath?
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you fucking guys eat your offspring don't you?!

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you fucking guys eat your offspring don't you?!

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Only with horseradish....And a beer !
I tried red wine once but it didn't compliment the food well.
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