I noticed that most of the politicians and their supporter who are fighting so hard against government healthcare are the same people who have no qualms about politicians having public funded healthcare and pensions to boot.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I like to see businesses offer it because of their discounts, the last time I purchased insurance it was ridiculously priced.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

i think if hillary care gets approved congress should be forced on the same plan as the masses :P


IM 100% sure that will happen RIGHT !!!

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

For example?

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

We need tax-free, medical investment accounts w/no limits on annual contributions. It should work similar to an IRA account, i. e. it should be tax-free and allow investments in any types of security.

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Life only becomes meaningful at its extremes

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But the poor with multiple children can't afford to invest.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Even the poor pay taxes. By dumping the money they would otherwise have given to Uncle Sam into the medical investment account, they would have something to invest.

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Life only becomes meaningful at its extremes

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He is bringing in Bush's hypocrisy and retardation into it.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

That doesn't do anything about the cost of health care.

In 2005 the national savings rate was 0%, ZERO. If you have the choice between eating and saving for future health problems, I think you'll be inclined to address the one of starvation first.

Health savings accounts are a rouse that will compound our health care problems with millions more people without the means to pay for health care.

What will have the greatest affect on the cost of health care is single payer, universal health care. If the government is the majority provider of health insurance, it can negotiate the lowest price for health care; basic economics really. If you want to pay for the perks, like 1000 thread count sheets, by all means buy private for profit health insurance.

The only difference that there should be between government health insurance and private for profit health insurance is added perks, like private rooms, cable television, etc.; the level of care, and access to it should be equal.

It is in the best interest of our country that everyone have equal access to health care, regardless of their ability to pay.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

What do you mean by country? Do you mean it is in the best interest of the government? Some Americans would obviously not be happy with such authoritarian measures, and for good reason. So what do you mean by "best for the country?"

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

I do mean it is all of our best interest to have a health populous. The option should remain for anyone to pay for their own insurance, but I also believe everyone should also have the option to to have tax funded health insurance, with access to the same treatments and specialists.

I really don't see what the problem is, unless someone doesn't believe in equal access to health care.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

-Thomas Jefferson

You want "socialized healthcare"?

Fine.

Before you get it, you should be required to demonstrate that you're unable to get it on your own. You should be required to prove that you tried to better your personal situation.

Barring that, fuck you. If you can't show that you've done everything imaginable, and have exhausted all possibilities, then to Hell with you. You don't deserve anything. If, on the other hand, you're able to show that nothing you've done has improved your health care situation, well, then we'll look at getting you coverage.

Those who think this should just be hounded out, to people who don't currently have it, need to be bitch-slapped...

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Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":

Obviously it is not in the best interest of some health professionals, given that many of them rely on people to get sick/injured/unhealthy and that at least some of them work as doctors for reasons other than the general welfare of Americans (such as money).What do you mean by "believe?" Are you saying we don't support it? That depends on what you mean by equality. If you mean that people should be allowed to earn money and pay for their health care, then they can already do that, provided they are willing to work. If you mean lazy idiots with no money and five kids and hard-working individuals should have the same access courtesy of money taken by force from said hard-working individuals, then I would say I don't support it, or "believe" in it, if that is how you want to call it.

Other than being totally unfair and immoral, "free" health care also discourages working while encouraging carelessness.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

The cost of drugs can be reduced by eliminating drug import restrictions--this opens up the black market for prescription drugs as well (i. e. from manufacturers who don't care about drug patents and just copy, copy, copy, copy).

People already do this to some extent by traveling to other countries (Canada, India, etc.) to buy drugs, and also by buying overseas drugs online.

Then, of course, there is medical tourism--traveling overseas to save a bundle on medical procedures (which many people already do).

OTOH, creating a monopsony via a single-payer system (where the govt. negotiates all the prices) may not work. For starters, Big Pharma is itself an oligopoly, and it can simply refuse to accept the govt. health insurance for the latest drugs. Then what?

Second, can you really trust the govt w/even MORE money? This the same govt. that spends trillions on useless wars. I can't imagine what the govt. will do will that extra money from insurance premiums. Bottom line: more money to government = BAD.

That's why the savings need to be tax free--think about it. Many wage earners pay a big portion of their gross income to Uncle Sam. Suppose that portion could be reduced and put into a trading account. It would amount to a lot.

Only if that's the only proposal. See above for ways to reduce the cost of health care.

Private insurers have successfully reduced the cost of health care to many Americans, to a large extent. However, in order to get those costs reduced, they had to impose a whole bunch of restrictions on providers with whom they're contracted and on the patients in their plans.

That's where the tax-free medical savings accounts come in--they can augment the cost of health care when insurers don't pay all that's needed.

Furthermore, private insurers need to be held more accountable--that's one of the biggest problems in health care--that insurance companies refuse to pay when they have to. There need to be stiffer penalties (even jail time) for insurers that break their contract.

That's the ideal, and countries like Canada have that kind of a system. The problem is that one must compare apples to apple. However, comparing the Canadian govt. to the American govt. is like comparing an apple to a weed. The US govt. is 10000000000000x more corrupt than Canada's govt. So paying $ to the US govt. is just growing more weeds.

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Life only becomes meaningful at its extremes

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Why not just stay on topic instead?

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.