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Old 10-22-2007
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Since when did the will of the people (that little thing called voting) become "mob rule"?
Because even in voting the majority doesn't always rule here in America. What danno was suggesting was mob rule.

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And yes, it is the goverments job to carry out the laws and such voted on by the people. Where is it you can find that states it is not?
No it isn't. It is the job of the government to carry out laws as laid out in the Constitution, even if the majority of the nation disagrees. The will of the majority cannot infringe on the rights of the minority, and all that jazz....

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What a ridiculous statement.
You find the truth ridiculous?

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What part of "we the people" and " promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" seem to confuse you?
They don't confuse me. I am the one arguing that the Government is bound by the Constitution (which you have quoted), regardless of the feelings of the people. You are the one suggesting otherwise.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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He vetoed it because it was too stupid. (AND too costly)
Nobody on this forum cuts through the bull like you Meridious. Must be all that soldiering. Kudos.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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That’s odd, the last news I got was that the deficit is coming in much lower than projected. I can still remember people screaming TRILLIONS of dollars and yet do to the tax cuts and so on; it is coming in around 200 billion.

Of course that it still a crap load of money; but I wonder how much is spent each year supporting people on welfare, you know the ones I’m referring to, the ones that haven’t worked in decades and do nothing but sit around shooting up or drinking their lives away….I’m more pissed about that shit than over a war………A war that I personally think was valid. Mishandled, but valid.
When you're calculating deficit spending don't forget to add in SS trust raiding ($175B) and supplementary spending for Afghanistan/Iraq ($200B), all debt and bringing the operating deficit up to a proposed $575B. That's 4.3% of GDP and what is the forecast increase (growth) in GDP?
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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It is good imagery; It clearly shows that the Dems just want to raise everyone’s taxes and create another failed/clusterfuck system, and that they don't want to put a little effort into finding a real solution to the problem.
You don't understand imagery.
Sick Child on the one hand, Democrats trying to get that sick child some medical care. Republicans (fat, bloated in waistcoats with top hats, clutching money bags) screaming that the money is theirs and the children should be allowed to die.
That's imagery, that's a wedge issue, you direct that at your evangelical voters, who have been overwhelmingly GOP lately, coupled with a picture of your GOP candidate (most likely a guy on his second or third marriage ), with some scripture about taking care of the poor, and you carve out a piece of that vote.

This is what the GOP has done so successfully in the past, Reagans morning in America, Bush's "Willie Horton" ads, and W's numerous photo ops.
Now the Dems are finally getting it, instead of reams of facts and figures that may impress a PhD, but leaves the NASCAR crowd scratching their heads in bewilderment, the Dems are coming at them with an image of a sick child.
Hillary is doing this across the board on almost every issue, college, retirement health care, the issues the GOP has been fear mongering on, she is hope mongering.
Social Security is a fear issue with the GOP, they give you the image of old people eating out of dumpsters, Hillary puts out her government assisted savings plan, she gives the people the GOP is scaring hope.

People are terrified over health care, they feel shackled to health plans that more and more put the burden on them, and the GOP message is that even the Federal Government that can blow god knows how many trillion dollars in Iraq, can't afford to care for sick children, Hillary and Democrats offer the message of hope.

Lee Atwater must be rolling over in his grave........
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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This thread isn't about the war, so I'm not going to get into it.
You said you were less pissed over the war, stating that it was valid. So, your statement is actually based on that premise. Is this what you do with refuted points? Sneak them in as premises in other threads and then say it is off-topic to discuss it when someone calls you on it?
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Old 10-24-2007
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

Pork, pork, and even more pork. The President had no choice. In fact, the liberals knew it would be vetoed and have planned, all along, to say Bush doesn;t care about the kids. Right out of the Democrat play book. Perhaps with the power of a line item veto, Bush could have pleased everyone.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Pork, pork, and even more pork. The President had no choice. In fact, the liberals knew it would be vetoed and have planned, all along, to say Bush doesn;t care about the kids. Right out of the Democrat play book. Perhaps with the power of a line item veto, Bush could have pleased everyone.
The conservative dominated SCOTUS deemed line item vetoes unconstitutional. They also deemed it unconstitutional to mandate a balanced federal budget.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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The conservative dominated SCOTUS deemed line item vetoes unconstitutional. They also deemed it unconstitutional to mandate a balanced federal budget.
and what do I know, really. I'm just from the midwest.
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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Pork, pork, and even more pork. The President had no choice. In fact, the liberals knew it would be vetoed and have planned, all along, to say Bush doesn;t care about the kids. Right out of the Democrat play book. Perhaps with the power of a line item veto, Bush could have pleased everyone.
The worst thing in the world would be too give that idiot " line item veto"
The best thing too do is take everyone in the WH,senate,and cong. and fire them all.
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