I personally know several folks who have abused this system since its inception, these persons are in more need of medicinal Marijuana than I am of a tinkers dam, and they openly laugh about it....maybe a better answer would be one state sanctioned grower per state, with fed,. oversight, that would deal directly with persons who are under a doctors care who prescribe scripts for such AND a healthy systemic review of such scripts.

I personally don't really beleive that maryjane is a gateway drug, BUT until the fed law changes, thats what we are stuck with.


as far as the usual stretching of legs regards another chance to share your bush derangement syndrome, so he should order the government not to enforce the law? try using the process, you can petition your representative in congress re- putting forth a bill to kill the fed. Enforcement of the law inside states? OOOOPPPs they did. .... and it was defeated, and Bush had what to do with this?

As far as full legalization of drugs, I cannot agree.

ah yes and revenue stream, a simple justification....

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MEDICAL USES FOR TOBACCO

A history of the medicinal use of tobacco 1492-1860.

Uses of Tobacco in the New World

GTRN - Global Tobacco Research Network

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How are you getting that Bush is a flip flopper here?

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This issue really has nothing to do with Bush - it's political suicide to consider rational behavior regarding drugs, so he's just one in a long line of people who have propped up a failed domestic policy ("War on Drugs") in a testament to bi-partisan idiocy.

As for a "gateway drug"... yeah, lol. That's just more retroactive justification BS. That had nothing to do with why marijuana was outlawed in the first place. In fact, people in the thirties would have probably looked at someone quizzically for suggesting it - pot was the province of minorities (whites weren't interested, and minorities were happy with it).

And, federal law isn't likely to change real soon. Everyone knows that the war on drugs is a failure, but can you imagine the fate of a politician who pointed out the elephant in the room...? lol. "My opponent wants your child to smoke crack!"

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Marijuana Policy Project - Bush backs states' rights on marijuana

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So, in this case, you want Bush to overstep his bounds as laid out in the Constitution?

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Oregon's medical marijuana law is structured for compliance using the state approved physician prescription to produce medical marijuana for personal consumption. No retail sales are allowed by 'caregivers' as in CA. It's the same prescription argument Ashcroft attempted to use in his campaign to break Oregon's right to die legislation; federal drug laws taking precedence over state licensed physician prescription dispersion.

From a commercial viewpoint, Oregonians with medical marijuana prescriptions have virtually eliminated the importation of Mexican and Canadian weed into the state. Each prescription is allowed six mature and six immature plants. Six well-tended plants with culled males raised to maturity and properly cured produce about 12 pounds of sensimillia buds with a wholesale/pound value of $36k and minimum street value of $58k. A solid economic endeavor with an established supply source, fully exploited distribution system and zero tax revenue with hundreds of millions being spent in LE attempts to destroy same. All for an ego play by the federal government.

The only proper role for the feds in this matter is to make sure no state passes any law making any drug illegal. I've never seen a believable argument for the constitutionality of any drug laws.

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That report was from 1999, when he was still making campaign promises. Upon election, his position did change.

I'm not aware of any attempt by current administration to adhere to the constitution. 'It's just a piece of paper' was one of the more publicized comments by our standing president.

For fuck sake THIS is an example.

EDIT: I'll have to come back to this later. Duck season opens tomorrow in Minnesota, and I have to start driving to my hunting camp.

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They are not pissing on the state's rights when it is a federal law.
To me the debate between having laws prohibiting certain drugs or not - is not relevant to this situation. The DEA is doing what the DEA does - bust illegal drug rings - and that is what these places are.

Now as for my take on legalizing Marijuana...I think it should stay illegal, however using it should be a misdemeanor much like a traffic violation, not even booked - ABSOLUTELY no jail time. This way Police will have no interest in busting doors down to merely hand someone a ticket.
Selling to minors however should be stiffer than selling alcohol.

Yes, well, it is that unconstitutional federal law that is pissing all over states' rights. There's nothing in the constitution to support federal laws against having a plant.

Yes, the DEA is doing what the DEA does, which is useless. In the context of some kind of knock on Bush for this, however, I agree with you. Aside from my objection to the DEA in general, there seems to be nothing about this that's any worse than the DEA simply existing in the first place.

Selling pot to children should be a worse crime than selling alcohol to children? Since alcohol is far more dangerous, addictive, intoxicating and debilitating than marijuana, what leads you to this belief?

As an aside, if we're concerning ourselves with children, legalizing pot would be the best thing to do. It was true for me, and I think it's widely true, that, as a teenager, getting a bag of pot is way, way easier than getting alcohol.

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Without the stiffer sentence, especially with pot use only a misdemeanor, I believe there would have to be a stronger disincentive to provide children with pot.
IMHO - for many, not everyone, but for many pot has a way of making kids "mentally lazy" - and it lessens a persons desire to better themselves.
I was quite the little heathen when I was young, I was around pot constantly but I abused alcohol not pot. I didn't care for it.
It seemed to me, and I think many will agree with me, that most of the kids who smoked alot of pot pretty much didn't give a rats ass about school or their future. I believe pot tends to give someone a "who gives a f*ck" attitude.

That opinion is based on personal experience.

Never really been a fan of pot myself, FWIW. I don't think there's any doubt that it makes people mentally lazay...

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