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Old 09-29-2007
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If it was a case of cigarettes/cigars (one legal, the other not) then there would be a case i agree.

On the alcohol part is any liquid illegal/banned under governmental regulation?
There are still cities and counties throughout the U.S. that are "dry."
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I can understand the "enforcing the law" argument. The part I don't understand why the drug laws seem so impossible to change. To suggest a fresh approach is apparently political suicide.

Meanwhile, this otherwise law abiding taxpayer is going to clean a bowl (if it were legal, it would be pre-cleaned ) and smoke it in the privacy of my home. Anyone (over 18) is welcome to join along.
I'll have to settle for the contact high I got from reading the post
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You speak of protecting our children yet, the legal system is against that as well.
I am currently a cab driver (long story) and I recently picked up a guy from the prison to take him home.
He told me his story regarding the reason for his detention, which is this...

He lives in an apartment building with his wife and 14 year old son.
The guy across the hall from them sold some pot to his 14 year old son.
When he found out about this, he confronted the guy in the hallway where an argument ensued.
One thing led to another and the Father ended up spitting in the other guys face out of anger and frustration.
The Father was then arrested and charged with ASSAULT, spent the next 60 days in jail and lost his job due to this incident.

Yep, our judicial system protects parents against those who sell drugs all right !
lol... don't ever let anyone accuse you of a lack of gullibility.

Let me get this straight... you picked up a guy from the pen, and he told you that he was in jail for spitting in the face of a guy who sold his son pot?!? (yeah, drug dealers are notorious for contacting the police whenever proper etiquette is not observed during a drug deal... a drug dealer contacting the authorities and pressing charges over a spitting incident makes a lot of sense) Good God! Dude... are you serious?!?

And, if you are, I have this super opportunity for a "business investment". All you have to do is send me all of your money, and you're set.
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Far too logical for those Americans who consider weed a sin. When it comes to sin, age is not a consideration.
You're barking up the wrong tree here. It's not that 'Americans' are so illogical.... It's that a lot of Americans are fooled by the lobbyist propaganda - "tell you children that cocaine is evil, but if they have trouble paying attention to things that don't interest them, give them lots of adderall" Of course the fact that cocaine and adderall are incredibly similar should be discounted, outright...
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its a law period. if you dont like it get it changed. federal law supercedes state laws.
Ho, ho, ho... fair enough. It's funny that you bring that up, actually. I was thinking about lobbying for a federal law allowing people to 'abort' their children up until the children were 5 or 6 years old. Now, I know what you're thinking - slaughtering children sounds insane, and you won't stand for it. But... it's a law, period. If you don't like it, get it changed. Federal law supersedes state law (who the fuck do these "pro-life" hippies think they are, protesting the government?!?)

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Alcohol was once illegal too they got that changed.

Dont complain about the raids that are legal. make them a thing of the past if you dont like them.

One thing to say is change the law another to say they are illegal is blatantly false.

I think they should legalize and tax it :P
Why tax it.. But, my quip aside, I like the way you think.

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im sure they could put it towards hillary care. a joint could cost 20 dollars and they could arrest anyone that wont buy goverment weed and line them up and shoot them for taking away childrens health care

that last was in jest :P
lol... I appreciate the joke, but, if anyone were to make drugs legal, I'd imagine that it would be the GOP. A "war on drugs" is a hawkish, liberal policy... I'd have a much easier time imagining Cheney wiping his ass with the constitution and upholding current federal drug laws than I would some Democrat.
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lol... don't ever let anyone accuse you of a lack of gullibility.

Let me get this straight... you picked up a guy from the pen, and he told you that he was in jail for spitting in the face of a guy who sold his son pot?!? (yeah, drug dealers are notorious for contacting the police whenever proper etiquette is not observed during a drug deal... a drug dealer contacting the authorities and pressing charges over a spitting incident makes a lot of sense) Good God! Dude... are you serious?!?

And, if you are, I have this super opportunity for a "business investment". All you have to do is send me all of your money, and you're set.
Funny how you deduce my story is a fabricated fib without having all the facts of which transpired.
Seeing as I wasn't writing a fucking novel, I didn't include the entire story in all it's full detail but, whatever.
Apparently you simply believe since this guy was coming out of jail, he automatically must be a liar as well.
I like the fact that you assumed the offended drug dealer was who called the police to the scene, nice touch .
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You're barking up the wrong tree here. It's not that 'Americans' are so illogical.... It's that a lot of Americans are fooled by the lobbyist propaganda - "tell you children that cocaine is evil, but if they have trouble paying attention to things that don't interest them, give them lots of adderall" Of course the fact that cocaine and adderall are incredibly similar should be discounted, outright...
You're saying Americans fooled by political deception and manipulation should be relieved of all logical responsibility?
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Re: The DEA is raiding California right now ~ Federal interference in state law?

It seems like the DEA raided the clinic in response to the abuse by the non-sick. I think this should not reflect badly on the compliant clinics and the DEA should be the good guys by not raiding those.
This should send the message that illegal use of marijuana wont go unnoticed simply because of state medical marijuana legalization.
Although I disagree that Marijuana should be banned at all, the original intent of the legislation should be upheld. Sick patients only.
The DEA needs to respect California law and should only break the non-compliant clinics.
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On the alcohol part is any liquid illegal/banned under governmental regulation?
Yes, there is. It is called Absinthe and is an alcohol derived from wormwood. At one time it was thought to cause hallucinations and brain damage even though research has exonerated it of these allegations. It is still banned in the United States on this basis.

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According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection literature, "The importation of Absinthe and any other liquors or liqueurs that contain Artemisia absinthium is prohibited."[51] This runs contrary to FDA regulations, which allow Artemisia species in foods or beverages, but those that contain Artemisia species, white cedar, oak moss, tansy or Yarrow, must be thujone free.[52] Other herbs that contain thujone have no restrictions. For example, sage and sage oil (which can be almost 50% thujone[42]) are on the FDA's list of substances generally recognized as safe.[53]

The prevailing consensus of interpretation of United States law and regulations among American absinthe connoisseurs is that it is probably legal to purchase such a product for personal use in the U.S. It is prohibited to sell items meant for human consumption which contain thujone derived from Artemisia species. (This derives from a Food and Drug Administration regulation, as opposed to a DEA regulation.) Customs regulations specifically forbid the importation of 'absinthe'. Absinthe can be and occasionally is seized by United States Customs if it appears to be for human consumption and can be seized inside the U.S. with a warrant.[54][55]
From Wikipedia: Absinthe
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The question I keep coming back to is; How can Mankind rule that a creation of GOD was wrong and should be forbidden ?

Didn't GOD create and bring forth Marijuana, Poppy, Peyote, Mushrooms, Coca ?

Is mankind arrogant enough to determine GOD was wrong when he created these lifeforms ?
GOD created smallpox and polio, too.

By your "logic", we must do away with vaccines, because how can Mankind rule that a creation of GOD was wrong and should be eradicated?

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GOD created smallpox and polio, too.

By your "logic", we must do away with vaccines, because how can Mankind rule that a creation of GOD was wrong and should be eradicated?

Matt
Hmm ??? couldn't be that there is justification for those two diseases in nature ???
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Hmm ??? couldn't be that there is justification for those two diseases in nature ???
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Is mankind arrogant enough to determine GOD was wrong when he created these lifeforms ?
So it's only arrogant when man determines GOD was wrong in creating some life-forms?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways - if you seek to cite divine infallibility, then you have to accept divine infallibility in all of creation.

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So it's only arrogant when man determines GOD was wrong in creating some life-forms?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways - if you seek to cite divine infallibility, then you have to accept divine infallibility in all of creation.

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I have no idea what you are talking about Matt
Where is the divide in what I have said ?

It is you who assume small pox etc... are mistakes made by God, not me.
I believe everything in existance has it's purpose, small pox included.
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I have no idea what you are talking about Matt
Where is the divide in what I have said ?

It is you who assume small pox etc... are mistakes made by God, not me.
I believe everything in existance has it's purpose, small pox included.
So, are you saying we should accept the divine will of GOD and cease all vaccinations?

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So, are you saying we should accept the divine will of GOD and cease all vaccinations?

Matt
No for the simple fact that God also gave man a thinking brain by which he should shape his world.
But, this conversation is going waaaay Off-topic now isn;t it ?

I suppose next you will tell me small pox and polio should be OUTLAWED ?
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