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Re: The DEA is raiding California right now ~ Federal interference in state law?

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The FDA keeps out bad medicines, but also keeps out a lot of good ones. Hopefully reining in their drug omnipotence would help them notice and address their shortcomings. Further, most medicines are manufactured for national consumption, or even international consumption, so the FDA's role wouldn't be eliminated by a long shot.
Maybe. I'm not sure that they keep a whole lot of good out.

Personally, I'm pro-medical use of THC. My concern is that so many who say "legalize it" just want to get stoned. Getting stoned is not a medical necessity. For chemo/AIDS patients who need relief from nausea, etc., I've got no problem with the distribution of marijuana (or if a purified form that has the same effect can be developed, that instead) to patients. However, that medical need must be cleared through the agency that has that power. It is not up to the bystander to decide, especially with mixed results at best in clinical trials.
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Re: The DEA is raiding California right now ~ Federal interference in state law?

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Originally Posted by US Constitution Article VI
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is a treaty made under the authority of the United States.

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Control of cannabis
Art 28. - 1. If a Party permits the cultivation of the cannabis plant for the production of cannabis or cannabis resin, it shall apply thereto the system of controls as provioded in article 23 respecting the control of the opium poppy.

2. This Convention shall not apply to the cultivation of the cannabis plant exclusively for industrial purposes (fibre and seed) or horticultural purposes.
3. The Parties shall adopt such measures as may be necessary to prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, the leaves of the cannabis plant.
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Art 3. -1. Each Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish as criminal offences under its domestic law, when committed intentionally:

I. The production, manufacture, extraction, preparation, offering, offering for sale, distribution, sale, delivery on any terms whatsoever, brokerage, dispatch, dispatch in transit, transport, importation or exportation of any narcotic drug or any psychotropic substance contrary to the provisions of the 1961 Convention, the 1961 Convention as amended or the 1971 Convention;
II. The cultivation of opium poppy, coca bush or cannabis plant for the purpose of the production of narcotic drugs contrary to the provisions of the 1961 Convention and the 1961 Convention as amended
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You're assuming that there is a benevolent god. I thought the federal government was attempting to play that fairy tale role through morality legislation by using their own interpretation of the interstate commerce act.
That used to be the case. However the interstate commerce excuse was shot down by the Supreme Court in 1969 when it ruled that the Tax Stamp Act was in violation of the 5th amendment.

(LEARY v. UNITED STATES, 395 U.S. 6 (1969))

So now the prohibitionists needed a new excuse to outlaw marijuana. And of course a constitututional amendment would have been out of the question after the alcohol prohibition debacle.

So the Federal govt. found a loophole.

The current federal prohibition of marijuana stems from the Controlled Substances Act.

The ostensible legal justification for the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 was that it was needed to put the USA in compliance with the United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs.

Marijuana was then added as a Schedule 1 Controlled Substance under the Controlled Substances Act even though it is not a Narcotic.

That was a pretty underhanded backdoor approach. Basically they made it an International Law issue to get around the State's rights and individual rights issue.
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Sorry to bust in on the Bash Bush (again) party...but this should have happened a loooooooong time ago, California officials made the choice to look the other way to the point that these "stores" were absolutely nothing more than the "friendly neighborhood drug pusher...store"
Perhaps you haven't seen the reports...undercover cops went in several of these establishments and with no medical complaints waltzed in and out with bags of dope.
It was a ridiculous situation that made a mockery of US law.
Marijuana is illegal except for "Medical Necessity" - these shops were selling pot to virtually anyone who came in the door...you could (as reporters with hidden cameras did in numerous ones) walk in, simply say you have been feeling depressed - AND WITH NO MEDICAL EXAMINATION..walk out with pot.

And excuse me for saying that blasting the D.E.A. for uploading drug laws is...stupid.
I disagree. It seems to me that when enforcing the law does more damage to society than not enforcing it, then it is stupid to enforce the law.

Enforcing drug laws takes a huge toll on society. It breaks up families, costs too much, causes murderers, robbers and rapists to get out of prison early to make room for people who are not a threat to society.

It is just plain stupid to enforce drug laws. The drug war is a vile and abhorrent assault on liberty born of racism, fearmongering, corruption and greed.
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