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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
where did you get this "understanding" from?
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
Easy, by reading. Under Title 4 of the United States Code - the.United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. There are no penalties for failure to follows these 'rules of etiquette ' because to do so would clearly violate the First amendment. Therefore only Gov't agencies are affected by these rules.
An individual on private property can hang a flag upside down and lit on fire, and below the Iranian flag and still no 'law' is violated. Of course, I would never do that because I respect the flag and what it represents. Nonetheless, in spite of media reports to the contrary, no law was broken by the bar owner.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
Yeah, you're right, he's in Nevada, But if he was in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Dakota or Florida, where they have "Stand your ground" laws he would be able to use deadly force to protect his property.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
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The requirements for the use of deadly force normally require that a threat of severe bodily injury or death be present. My brother is a Florida gun owner, and I know, full well, that he can kill someone who breaks into his house. He's up shit-creek, though, if he kills someone who's vandalizing his front yard...
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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.” Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R) on McCain “I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R) on McCain “My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.” McCain on McCain |
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The obvious problem with that requirement is that it sounds nice in theoretical abstract but in reality it to too hard to determine how, when under the fear and time pressure of such a threat, whether the person could rationally come up with a retreat plan. And too often, the requirement just became an unfair way to blame the victim for killing a violent felon intending to harm them by trying to armchair quarterback their decisions without the same compelling circumstances and with 20/20 hindsight. Thus, the law seeks to place the fault of death squarely and fairly where it belongs--on the felon seeking to seriously harm or kill someone. The laws also seek to provide another deterrence incentive to violent lawbreakers to think twice before looking to commit such crimes. Most of the criticism of the law centres upon whether the laws will make people too triggerhappy. However, the laws that I have seen do not authorise shooting people for ordinary simple assaults (a straight up bar fight without deadly weapons being pulled for example) and mere property damage and thievery where the perpetrators are not threatening the victim with serious bodily harm or death (they do impute home invasion with that intent to remove all doubts in those kinds of highly intrusive and potentially dangerous encounters).
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If they approached him, of course, the situation changes. Then again, I don't know how many people would approach someone, who's holding a shotgun, from a distance and in a threatening manner...
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"We cannot continue to rely on our military .... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama "My age group was pressured into joining although it was allegedly voluntary. But later on it was compulsory. No one could say no." Hitler youth, Willi Demf, born 1920 |
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
You are both correct. It's a federal law and it doesn't say it is advisory in its actual words, but that is because it doesn't have to say it's advisory. It excludes enforcement provisions and is not penal in nature because it cannot be legally enforced due to the First Amendment's free speech guarantee. Thus, a person does not break the law by not complying with it. It's considered a 'custom' law, the codification of what they deem proper custom that people ought to follow but are not required to do so. However, the government and other employers can require their employees to follow it when performing duties pursuant to the employer/employee relationship.
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Around 200,000 Irish immigrants served in the Union and Confederate armies in the American Civil War, often forming their own regiments and, at times, fought each other. At Fredericksburg, the Union’s Irish Brigade faced the Irish McMillan's Guards of Cobb's 24th Georgia entrenched in a sunken road behind a stone wall. Ordered to make a suicidal charge, it became one of the most famous events of the Civil War. The re-enactment portrayed in the movie Gods and Generals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVCxEupPag |
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
No problem.
You knew your law well there, counsellor. ![]()
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Around 200,000 Irish immigrants served in the Union and Confederate armies in the American Civil War, often forming their own regiments and, at times, fought each other. At Fredericksburg, the Union’s Irish Brigade faced the Irish McMillan's Guards of Cobb's 24th Georgia entrenched in a sunken road behind a stone wall. Ordered to make a suicidal charge, it became one of the most famous events of the Civil War. The re-enactment portrayed in the movie Gods and Generals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVCxEupPag |
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
I asked what is unjust, not illegal.
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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already. |
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
Steve, if you don't have anything intelligent to add, don't bother posting. We have enough stupid posts on this board as it is (most likely a huge portion of which are your's).
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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already. |
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