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Old 10-06-2007
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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too bad. if you felt the same way about speed limits, I guess you would think its fine for those who broke the speed limit to go unpunished.
So do you have anything to add to the argument?
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Obviously there are some (ie vets) who feel very strongly about our flag and will perform acts of vigilantism if the law is not upheld...if the mexicans want that to occur...let them.
Those are some stupid vets.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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So, what are you doing to get it changed?

Thus far, it would appear as though all you're doing is bitching about it on an internet forum...
And again you have nothing to add to the debate. What a surprise.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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So do you have anything to add to the argument?

Those are some stupid vets.
I have added my comments on what I believe will come about if the mexicans continue to raise their countries flag above the US flag within the borders of our nation. They will continue to piss off vets, and other emotional supporters of the US Flag - and if the disobedience is allowed to go unobstructed, I guarantee riots and even deaths will occur over it, ridiculous as it will be....which is far more than you have added by persistently adjudging each poster for having nothing to add to the argument.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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I have added my comments on what I believe will come about if the mexicans continue to raise their countries flag above the US flag within the borders of our nation. They will continue to piss off vets, and other emotional supporters of the US Flag - and if the disobedience is allowed to go unobstructed, I guarantee riots and even deaths will occur over it, ridiculous as it will be....which is far more than you have added by persistently adjudging each poster for having nothing to add to the argument.
I've added plenty, such as the reasons why such a law is unjust.
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Old 10-07-2007
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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And again you have nothing to add to the debate. What a surprise.
Why dodge the question?

Are you doing anything to change a law that you don't think should be in place?

No, you're not.

You're just pissing and moaning about it on an internet forum...
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Why dodge the question?
I didn't. I addressed it and told you it was off-topic. Dodging applies to questions that are on-topic. This thread is not about "what are you doing to change law x." Fact is, it wouldn't matter (for this debate) if I protested or wrote to Congressmen because 1) It would have no effect on the debate and 2) I wouldn't be able to prove it anyway.
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Are you doing anything to change a law that you don't think should be in place?

No, you're not.
So why did you ask?
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You're just pissing and moaning about it on an internet forum...
I'm having an argument. You are trolling and posting off-topic bullshit, as usual.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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I didn't. I addressed it and told you it was off-topic. Dodging applies to questions that are on-topic.
You said that you didn't think the law should be in place. Was that off topic? My question was a direct off-shoot of that. The only way my question could've been off topic is if your comment was off topic.

Which it was...

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This thread is not about "what are you doing to change law x."
Nor is it about what laws you do or do not think should exist...

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Fact is, it wouldn't matter (for this debate) if I protested or wrote to Congressmen because 1) It would have no effect on the debate and 2) I wouldn't be able to prove it anyway.So why did you ask?
You said you didn't think the law should exist. I asked you why not. You dodged.

As for writing to a Congressman not making any difference, you're probably right. They rarely pay attention to those who aren't old enough to vote...

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I'm having an argument. You are trolling and posting off-topic bullshit, as usual.
You're dodging a logical question, asked as the result of a statement you made. Making the statement, and then whining when someone asks you about it is immature.

Oh, and it's dodging to the nth degree...

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You said that you didn't think the law should be in place. Was that off topic?
No.
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My question was a direct off-shoot of that.
It has absolutely nothing to do with moving the thread forward. If you think it does, how would it do that? I see it as an attempt to troll.
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The only way my question could've been off topic is if your comment was off topic.
No.
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Which it was...



Nor is it about what laws you do or do not think should exist...
It deals with a law regarding an illegal Mexican flag [placement] (read topic title), and I gave my opinion about it.
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You said you didn't think the law should exist. I asked you why not. You dodged.
Nope, I specifically addressed why I think the law should not exist.

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Banning someone from writing on a flag that they own is violating their property rights.
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As for writing to a Congressman not making any difference, you're probably right. They rarely pay attention to those who aren't old enough to vote...


You're dodging a logical question, asked as the result of a statement you made.
That doesn't make it on-topic, and thus it is not necessarily a dodge (it isn't a dodge in this case). "What kind of food do you like?" is a logical question and it could be asked as a result of someone's posting anything. That wouldn't make it on-topic in a thread discussing the Holocaust.
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Making the statement, and then whining when someone asks you about it is immature.
I never mentioned anything about what I am doing to change laws.
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Oh, and it's dodging to the nth degree...

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Old 10-08-2007
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

This happened in my own town, and this is the first I've heard of it. Also it's b.s. for the business owner to have claimed he didn't know about the law. This is what happens when the law is constantly not enforced.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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No.
Agreed...

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It has absolutely nothing to do with moving the thread forward.
Nor did your comment about your opinion of the law...

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If you think it does, how would it do that? I see it as an attempt to troll.
Of course you do. Anything said by anyone, that you don't like, is "trolling"...

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No.
Horseshit.

Your opinion of the law has no bearing on the topic at hand...

It deals with a law regarding an illegal Mexican flag [placement] (read topic title), and I gave my opinion about it.[/quote]

And your opinion was unecessary for the discussion to progress. An opinion about the situation as a whole would be one thing...

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Nope, I specifically addressed why I think the law should not exist.
How would your opinion be necessary for the discussion to progress? Do you have such an inflated sense of ego that you believe the only way a conversation can move forward is if you interject your opinion of the law? Also, if you'd be so kind, please explain how the topic would have come to a screeching halt had you not expressed that opinion?

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That doesn't make it on-topic, and thus it is not necessarily a dodge (it isn't a dodge in this case).
But it is a dodge.

You stated an opinion, and now you're running like a scared child when asked about that opinion...

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"What kind of food do you like?" is a logical question and it could be asked as a result of someone's posting anything.
Really? Because that sounds pretty fucking stupid.

If I say I think we should nuke the Bahamas, and you ask "What kind of food do you like?" would hardly be a logical question...

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That wouldn't make it on-topic in a thread discussing the Holocaust.I never mentioned anything about what I am doing to change laws.
Of course, I didn't ask you what kind of food you like. I asked you something specific to a statement you made in this thread.

But run away, boy, run away...
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

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Agreed...



Nor did your comment about your opinion of the law...
Yes, it does, because if people agree that it is an unjust law, it would at least partially resolve the thread. How would my saying "I do" or "do not" protest/write congressmen letters resolve the thread?
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Of course you do. Anything said by anyone, that you don't like, is "trolling"...
I don't like trolling.
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Horseshit.

Your opinion of the law has no bearing on the topic at hand...
Really? How so? We are discussing a flag that was removed, and that it was illegal to hang it that way. Certainly debate of whether the law is legal or not is relevant, don't you think?
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It deals with a law regarding an illegal Mexican flag [placement] (read topic title), and I gave my opinion about it.
[/quote]Right, and I discussed that law. How is that off-topic?
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And your opinion was unecessary for the discussion to progress.
That doesn't mean it was off-topic.
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An opinion about the situation as a whole would be one thing...
And this would be another, relevant, thing.
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How would your opinion be necessary for the discussion to progress?
Because if people agree that it is an unjust law, they could agree that the veteran's actions to remove it were unjust.
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Do you have such an inflated sense of ego that you believe the only way a conversation can move forward is if you interject your opinion of the law?
When people discuss a law, I would say opinion of the law is important. What else would they argue?
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Also, if you'd be so kind, please explain how the topic would have come to a screeching halt had you not expressed that opinion?
It wouldn't have. All that is required is for two people to discuss something. Just because a third enters doesn't mean it is off-topic just because he wasn't absolutely required for the debate.
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But it is a dodge.

You stated an opinion, and now you're running like a scared child when asked about that opinion...
Really? Nowhere did I discuss my protesting tactics.
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Really? Because that sounds pretty fucking stupid.
Yes, really. And so is your question of me.
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If I say I think we should nuke the Bahamas, and you ask "What kind of food do you like?" would hardly be a logical question...
What is illogical about the question "What kind of food do you like?" Does food not exist? Or can food not be liked?
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Of course, I didn't ask you what kind of food you like. I asked you something specific to a statement you made in this thread.

But run away, boy, run away...
Your question was off-topic, Steve. Deal with it. But tell me, how would my answering "I wrote to a congressman" or "did not write to a congressman" move the discussion forward?
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We are discussing a flag that was removed, and that it was illegal to hang it that way. Certainly debate of whether the law is legal or not is relevant, don't you think??
Absolutely.

You seem to be one who's concerned with a thread being able to progress. That's laudable. I don't think it's an accurate description of you but, if it was, I'd applaud that.

You said you didn't think the law should be in place. That's fine, although it would certainly aid in the progression of the discussion if you could explain why you believe it shouldn't be in place. How is asking for clarification "trolling" or "off topic"?

If you want to discuss the legitimacy of a law, let's do it. But don't run away like a scared little boy when someone asks why you hold a particular opinion.

THAT'S trolling...
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Absolutely.

You seem to be one who's concerned with a thread being able to progress. That's laudable. I don't think it's an accurate description of you but, if it was, I'd applaud that.

You said you didn't think the law should be in place. That's fine, although it would certainly aid in the progression of the discussion if you could explain why you believe it shouldn't be in place.

I did. Once here:

Banning someone from writing on a flag that they own is violating their property rights. For instance, I can write on an expensive vase that I own. Why not a flag that I own?

And once here:

I despise it in this case because it clearly violates a much more important law (namely, property rights and perhaps free speech), and because I find it unjust.
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How is asking for clarification "trolling" or "off topic"?
It's trolling because I have not only already given the clarification mutliple times, but I have already pointed it out to you in the past:

Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

Asking me what I have done to change it is off-topic because personal protesting behavior is not the topic.
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If you want to discuss the legitimacy of a law, let's do it. But don't run away like a scared little boy when someone asks why you hold a particular opinion.
I'll keep that in mind. Not that I have done it, but thanks for the warning. Now, you try to pay attention and read English.
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THAT'S trolling...
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