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Old 10-03-2007
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Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged
Reno resident cuts down Mexican flag flying above U.S. flag after outcry

Steve Watson
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Wednesday, Oct 3, 2007

A Veteran from Reno, Nev. has hit headlines after he took matters into his own hands yesterday and tore down a Mexican flag that was being illegally flown above a U.S. flag at a local business.

Local news station krnv News 4 had received calls yesterday afternoon from angry residents complaining about the Mexican flag. When the station sent a reporter to investigate the Veteran took the opportunity to make a statement in front of the cameras.

The man commented "I'm Jim Brossert and I took this flag down in honor of my country with a knife from the United States army. I'm a veteran, I am not going to see this done to my country. if they want to fight us, then they need to be men, and they need to come and fight us, but I want somebody to fight me for this flag. They're not going to get it back."

The hispanic store owner who witnessed the incident would not make comment on camera but told krnv over the phone that he was flying the flag as a mark of solidarity to the hispanic community. Pro-immigration protests have been ongoing in the area all weekend after raids were conducted by authorities in the area last week.

The store owner said he is an American citizen and did not know what he was doing was against the law. However, according to federal law it is illegal to fly any flag above the U.S. flag, and if flying more than one they must be on separate poles and be of an equal size.


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Comment: I think the guy is a hero, I'm sick of being over run, trashed on while our leadership refuses to close the border, refuses to enforce the laws unless they are against American Citizens...then they have no trouble. Our leadership also refuses to enforce the constitution as well.
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A Veteran from Reno, Nev. has hit headlines after he took matters into his own hands yesterday and tore down a Mexican flag that was being illegally flown above a U.S. flag at a local business.
Illegally flown? What sort of sentence does that carry? Does someone shake their fist at you angrily?
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

Maybe those people who wear flag bikini's, flag shirts and jackets, and have it airbrushed on their vehicles will be his next target.
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poor veteran they will throw the book at him for doing what he believes is right.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

There are rules to flying the flag, one of which is that it will never be flown below the flag of any other country. I think the guy probably could've mentioned it to the business owner, and told him that the proper way to fly both flags would be at equal levels...
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There are rules to flying the flag, one of which is that it will never be flown below the flag of any other country. I think the guy probably could've mentioned it to the business owner, and told him that the proper way to fly both flags would be at equal levels...
Or he could've just realized that unenforced "flag laws" are broken everywhere across the country by just about everyone. Let's check out these other "flag laws" and see how often they're enforced:

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It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
Well, gee, half my neighbor are criminals!
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The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
This one sounds easily enforceable.
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The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.
Once again, millions of people are now criminals.
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The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
Okay...
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The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
Oh, shit. Sorry, butterfinger boy scouts, off to jail with you!
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The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.
But, they're so comfortable!
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The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.
I think you guys get the drift. Flag laws are unenforced, ridiculous, and a terrible reason to cite for this guy's behavior. I'm fine if he just said "I don't like that, I'm going to take it down", but to refer to the illegality of it is just bizarre.
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Re: Veteran Removes Illegal Mexican Flag, May Be Charged

Technically, he broke the law by vandalising the property. I think his better move was to tell the business owner the proper flag etiquette (I don't believe the law requiring the US flag to be higher than another is constitutional given recent precedents on free speech). It appears the business owner meant no offence and was unaware of the 'rule' on how to fly flags. If I were to see that at a business, I would tell the owner about it. If I learnt it was intended as some sort of a slap in the face to the country, then I would likely choose to shop somewhere else.
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Or he could've just realized that unenforced "flag laws" are broken everywhere across the country by just about everyone. Let's check out these other "flag laws" and see how often they're enforced:


Well, gee, half my neighbor are criminals!

This one sounds easily enforceable.

Once again, millions of people are now criminals.

Okay...

Oh, shit. Sorry, butterfinger boy scouts, off to jail with you!

But, they're so comfortable!


I think you guys get the drift. Flag laws are unenforced, ridiculous, and a terrible reason to cite for this guy's behavior. I'm fine if he just said "I don't like that, I'm going to take it down", but to refer to the illegality of it is just bizarre.
My personal favorite is...

Federal Flag Code, Section 4(g): "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."



And then there's this image...

Federal Flag Code, Section 8(c): "The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way."

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My personal favorite is...

Federal Flag Code, Section 4(g): "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."
LOL, well, let's just hope some cantankerous old veteran with too much retirement time on his hands attempting to relive the glory days of his youth never gets near Bush. It won't be pretty.
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LOL, well, let's just hope some cantankerous old veteran with too much retirement time on his hands attempting to relive the glory days of his youth never gets near Bush. It won't be pretty.
Yeah, really. This is no time for vigilante justice. I think that we should allow the impeachment process and the subsequent criminal proceedings against Bush to sort this out.
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Or he could've just realized that unenforced "flag laws" are broken everywhere across the country by just about everyone. Let's check out these other "flag laws" and see how often they're enforced:
So because others break the rules, it's okay to allow it?

Also, these are not "laws". Not following the rules is not a criminal offense. Yet, you suggest that you really do believe that's the case.
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With the heated debate of illegal immigration going on, such displays are offensive, to say the least, to anybody who has an investment in their country. I do, however, think the perp would've made a much stronger statement if he'd done it through some legal channel. Now anybody who feels the same way as he regarding the U.S. will be bundled with him in the collective stereotype as a 'fringe' person.

What surprises me though is the number of people here, who purport to be involved in politics, yet are so willing to give their country away. Mexico is a shithole for a reason, and I for one would prefer that my country didn't slowly become an annex of the same shithole.
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. . . What surprises me though is the number of people here, who purport to be involved in politics, yet are so willing to give their country away. Mexico is a shithole for a reason, and I for one would prefer that my country didn't slowly become an annex of the same shithole.
If I'm reading you correctly (I apologise in advance if I am not and please elaborate), you are inferring that admitting Mexicans will mean they will run the country into the ground. Most immigrants who came here since the country's founding came from dysfunctional places and/or situations when they left. Most people don't quit their homes and head far and away just for the excitement. Simple holidays take care of those interests. So far I've seen Mexicans work hard and contribute like any others who have come here. There will be some bad apples, but each group that has come here has had those too. They aren't the rule.
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regardless of work ethic (or lack of), the 'dysfunction' travels with the immigrant. It is reflected in every area where a single culture of immigrants have become the majority. It is reflected in attitudes toward government, law enforcement, violence, non-violence, respect for property, and a multitutude of other characteristics which define the origin of the immigrant. I would cite two places I've lived as good examples (south side of San Diego, CA and Yuma, AZ). It sounds alarmist now, but the MeCha idea of regaining the southwest U.S. is actually a very strong movement, consciously or otherwise. Read Navarrette's articles over the past few months.
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So because others break the rules, it's okay to allow it?

Also, these are not "laws". Not following the rules is not a criminal offense. Yet, you suggest that you really do believe that's the case.
I think it's okay to allow it because it is a ridiculous law/rule/whatever. Banning someone from writing on a flag that they own is violating their property rights. For instance, I can write on an expensive vase that I own. Why not a flag that I own?
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