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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

Ahmindinejad never denied the holocaust happened, he was the victim of a bad translation.
Like when Jimmy Carter went to Poland, and the translator changed "I have always had a deep fondness for the Polish people" to " I have always wanted to have sex with Polish people".
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Transcripts from MEMRI are highly suspect. Read on;
nonsense. you must look at the sheer size and expanse of these archives MEMRI TV.
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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Ahmindinejad never denied the holocaust happened, he was the victim of a bad translation.
Like when Jimmy Carter went to Poland, and the translator changed "I have always had a deep fondness for the Polish people" to " I have always wanted to have sex with Polish people".
The bad translation (which was actually committed by the Iranian propaganda ministry) was the "israel must be wiped off the map" quote. Not his numerous denials of the holocaust. The more accurate translation of Ahmadinejad's off the map statment is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must [vanish from] the page of time." If I was a jew living in Israel I don't think that would make me feel alot safer. Especially given the numerous broadcasts of horrifically antisemitic shows on official Iranian TV, Iran's control of Hamas and and Hezbollah, and ahmadinejad's courting of such antisemitic nutcases as david duke, richard krege, and frederick toben.
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Different cultures, different religions. During the outcry about the cartoons, I've even heard very moderate muslims declare that this is really the worst offense you can make against the muslim community.
There is nothing "moderate" about anyone who could make such a claim. Religious fanaticism is a serious threat to decent human society. Like I said, if these people are anything more than a lunatic fringe then we all need to be very afraid.
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There is nothing "moderate" about anyone who could make such a claim. Religious fanaticism is a serious threat to decent human society. Like I said, if these people are anything more than a lunatic fringe then we all need to be very afraid.
Not soo long ago, and probably still in some christian communities, depicting certain images of the most popular 'cast' in christian religion was also regarded as very serious. I agree that often muslim shouldn't take religion all too serious, but I'd say that for every religion. I'm hoping your "Religious fanaticism is a serious threat to decent human society" is also aimed at every kind of religion?

I often here comments from the US that Europe is doomed and that we will soon be overwhelmed by Islam. From the center of Old Europe I can tell you, do not worry.
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Not soo long ago, and probably still in some christian communities, depicting certain images of the most popular 'cast' in christian religion was also regarded as very serious. I agree that often muslim shouldn't take religion all too serious, but I'd say that for every religion. I'm hoping your "Religious fanaticism is a serious threat to decent human society" is also aimed at every kind of religion?
Absolutely. Fanatical christians frighten me also. I consider them a threat to representative government and to modern human society in general. But I am relatively sure these christian zealots are few in number and exist on the fringes. I am not so sure about their fellow maniacs in the Islamic world. For now those Islamic religious fanatics seem to have a stronger grip on their society than their christian fanatic brethren. I think the fanatics on each side have more in common than either group does with normal people of either faith.
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nonsense. you must look at the sheer size and expanse of these archives MEMRI TV.
Size has nothing to do with it. You've seen the exposure- MEMRI has been busted.
Selective Memri | World dispatch | Guardian Unlimited

It's virtually controlled by Israeli Intelligence.

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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
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Size has nothing to do with it. You've seen the exposure- MEMRI has been busted.
Selective Memri | World dispatch | Guardian Unlimited

It's virtually controlled by Israeli Intelligence.

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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
Bull shit. We have plenty of americans here that are non jews that speak arabic and farsi. Our intelligence agencies can read your media and translate them. We dont need israelis to translate arab media.
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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
Yes, indeed, because only Israelis speak Arabic and Farsi...

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Bull shit. We have plenty of americans here that are non jews that speak arabic and farsi. Our intelligence agencies can read your media and translate them. We dont need israelis to translate arab media.
While you are correct, the lack of arabic and farsi speakers who are cleared to high intelligence is actually a pretty significant problem.
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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein had some major issues with Memri; read the following Moon...

Norman G. Finkelstein: 'Memri Nazis'

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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
Just like you should not assume that MEMRI would take such overt risks that would result in irrevocable damage to their credibility.

If the Translations are not accurate then surely someone in the Middle East would have noticed by now and made a big deal about it. But all they can say, just like you did, is that MEMRI is run by Jews so therefore it is biased. That's not good enough.

You are so grasping at straws, as usual. It's pathetic. But we love you for it.
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Absolutely. Fanatical christians frighten me also. I consider them a threat to representative government and to modern human society in general. But I am relatively sure these christian zealots are few in number and exist on the fringes. I am not so sure about their fellow maniacs in the Islamic world. For now those Islamic religious fanatics seem to have a stronger grip on their society than their christian fanatic brethren. I think the fanatics on each side have more in common than either group does with normal people of either faith.
I don't think we really have a clear idea which part of the muslim population is really influenced by the radicals. Seeing from afar, it may look spectacular, but probably it isn't.
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Size has nothing to do with it. You've seen the exposure- MEMRI has been busted.
Selective Memri | World dispatch | Guardian Unlimited

It's virtually controlled by Israeli Intelligence.

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Yes, they are suspect. You shouldn't assume that Arabic or Farsi translations are accurately conveyed by Israelis.
Interesting link moon! Thanks!

Metalted, Memri is busted! Accept it. It doesn't clear the Arab series, but you should be carefull using Memri as the source. Debka is another doubtfull website.
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