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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

Well, the link to Norman Finkelstein's site includes video and the Memri transcript.
Which is proof that Memri edits and misrepresents material, and Memri is a product of Israeli intelligence, so use that as a guide.

The transcripts are the product of Israeli Intelligence and appear on a web site where material is misrepresented to bolster Israeli propaganda.
So yeah, they could be true.
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I really dont see how the supposed missing parts make his message any different or any more palatable. He essentially says that the holocaust is used as an excuse for the need of a jewish soveriegn state.

So what?

In my opinion there is no fucking more worthy cause then a state for the jewish people. the 14 million jews on earth are the object of more hate then any other people throughout history.

If they dont deserve israel, then no one deserves any state.
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In my opinion there is no fucking more worthy cause then a state for the jewish people. the 14 million jews on earth are the object of more hate then any other people throughout history.

If they dont deserve israel, then no one deserves any state.
So why do the Palestinians have to suffer for said persecution? If Jews are so persecuted in the eyes of America why don't you guys offer them a state within your borders? Why did the Palestinians have to suffer the consequences of this alleged persecution you whine about?
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So why do the Palestinians have to suffer for said persecution? If Jews are so persecuted in the eyes of America why don't you guys offer them a state within your borders? Why did the Palestinians have to suffer the consequences of this alleged persecution you whine about?
Jerusalem Is the City of God. And Israel is the ancestral land of the Jews. They the Jews Decided to go back to thier homeland from the places they were scattered. It was not up to us where they go.

Palestinians oppress themselves with islam.
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Jerusalem Is the City of God. And Israel is the ancestral land of the Jews. They the Jews Decided to go back to thier homeland from the places they were scattered. It was not up to us where they go.
If you want to allow superstitious nonsense to guide your politics be my guest. However, some of us tend to look at things in a more practical, fair and legal manner.
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

ya like denying israels right to exist 60 years to late. now you root for its needless destruction. Civilized people compromise, the others blow themselves up.
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Israel is in the habit of compromise?
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yes it is. it followed the oslo accords, while palestine said it would on english tv,, and declared jihad iin arabic.

Muslim compromise = give me what I want or die.

Israel, surrendered 40 percent of lands in question to palestinian control ceceding ancient jewish relics to palestinian control, made a concerted effort to convince people to give up thier land for peace,.. had soldiers pull its citzens out of thier homes, And personally most offensive to me ..armed PLO gunmen for the purposes of policing its own people.. and other things as well..

Palestine was to cease attacks.. they sky rocketed... protect ancient jewish relics.,.. they were burned to the ground... educate people towards peace.. childbrainwashiing campaign was iintensified.
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yes it is. it followed the oslo accords, while palestine said it would on english tv,, and declared jihad iin arabic.

Muslim compromise = give me what I want or die.

Israel, surrendered 40 percent of lands in question to palestinian control ceceding ancient jewish relics to palestinian control,
Are you kidding me!? The Palestinians went into the Oslo Accords and waived all claims to 78% of their historical homeland of Palestine. They wanted the 22% of historical Palestine (Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem) they currently inhabit.

But Israel was not happy with that! They wanted a chunk of the Palestinian 22% in addition to the 78% they already secured; the Palestinians made the largest concession and Israel still demanded more! Israel was certainly unwilling to accept a more than fair compromise.
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Are you kidding me!? The Palestinians went into the Oslo Accords and waived all claims to 78% of their historical homeland of Palestine. They wanted the 22% of historical Palestine (Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem) they currently inhabit.

But Israel was not happy with that! They wanted a chunk of the Palestinian 22% in addition to the 78% they already secured; the Palestinians made the largest concession and Israel still demanded more! Israel was certainly unwilling to accept a more than fair compromise.
ya sure Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, didn't accept the accords and even refused israels right to exist.
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Interesting link moon! Thanks!

Metalted, Memri is busted! Accept it. It doesn't clear the Arab series, but you should be carefull using Memri as the source. Debka is another doubtfull website.
I personally never believe any source unreservedly - including Memri. But it is worth pointing out that the referenced article says
"Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's translations".
So the only complaint about Memri is that it publishes translations from official arab and iranian government television and newspapers, official publications of hamas and hezbollah, and speeches by major islamic religious leaders without also publishing material which might be published in israeli sources. I guess the only answer to that is that if the Israeli press were government controlled like the television and press in the arab world and if it contained material even remotely like the movies we have been discussing, it would certainly be within the means of the arab countries or an outlet like al jazeera to translate those materials and publish them on the web. As far as I know there is no such website.
Is that really the same as "Memri busted?" Does it even qualify as "doubtful?" Only if you are willing to condemn all information based on its source without considering that even its worst enemies admit the information is accurate. No source should be believed uncritically. But since Memri's material is all from official arab government sources, since it is all from widely disseminated sources, since I have never seen any of its translations disputed, I will continue to regard it as one of the more reliable sources from that part of the world.
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While you are correct, the lack of arabic and farsi speakers who are cleared to high intelligence is actually a pretty significant problem.
If you have a source for that factoid, I would be interested in seeing it. While the military on the ground may have some problems with this, generalizing it to all areas of those with high clearance does not jibe with my experience.
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I personally never believe any source unreservedly - including Memri. But it is worth pointing out that the referenced article says
"Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's translations".
So the only complaint about Memri is that it publishes translations from official arab and iranian government television and newspapers, official publications of hamas and hezbollah, and speeches by major islamic religious leaders without also publishing material which might be published in israeli sources. I guess the only answer to that is that if the Israeli press were government controlled like the television and press in the arab world and if it contained material even remotely like the movies we have been discussing, it would certainly be within the means of the arab countries or an outlet like al jazeera to translate those materials and publish them on the web. As far as I know there is no such website.
Is that really the same as "Memri busted?" Does it even qualify as "doubtful?" Only if you are willing to condemn all information based on its source without considering that even its worst enemies admit the information is accurate. No source should be believed uncritically. But since Memri's material is all from official arab government sources, since it is all from widely disseminated sources, since I have never seen any of its translations disputed, I will continue to regard it as one of the more reliable sources from that part of the world.
You can use every compromised sourced you want, but please don't use it then as your only source, try to find some confirmation elsewhere.
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You can use every compromised sourced you want, but please don't use it then as your only source, try to find some confirmation elsewhere.
Compromised? How do you figure that? Do you have some evidence I am unaware of? Did you even read my post?
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Compromised? How do you figure that? Do you have some evidence I am unaware of? Did you even read my post?
Memri was just disclosed as being run by Israeli Intelligence. Wouldn't that make it at least a little biased ...?
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