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Old 10-18-2007
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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well its certainly true that in general American knowledge of Iran is limited. I mentioned this show several weeks ago WRT Ahmedinejad's speech at Columbia.
I would not say that the general American knowledge of Iran is any less than say the general Australian knowledge of Iran.

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I also mentioned that the 25,000 Jews who live in Iran have their own member of Parliament. I've also seen people here post that Iranians are living inthe stone age, and when I cite a BBC production that shows that modern Iran has many of the same issues as many western nations, obviously my sources are suspect.
Just because some people here do not know much about Iran, does not give you a free pass to lecture everyone about Iran as if they do not know.

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There is a lot of stuff that people here OBVIOUSLY don't know about Iran, and yet they feel quite comfortable sitting in judgement of the whole population of Iran, and many here seem to believe that using military force against that country would be justified.
Some do and some do not. So why do you only focus on the negative and treat it as the whole?

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Really - we hear talk of how Iranians hate the US, (which is deemed to be irrational hatred based on their religion) but from what I've seen here, the same thing applies to a significant number of Americans who are interested in discussing politics.
So while the Iranian theocracy holds state sponsored "Death to America" rallies, in your opinion it is Americans who are antagonizing the situation.

I have to disagree.

I would say the Iranian people have been very misled over the decades about their Iranian govt's demonization of America, aka the Great Satan. I think it is just a ploy to divert attention away from domestic issues. I think it is evident in the growing disenfranchisement of the younger generations in Iran who are not in step with the theocracy.

But you ONLY want Americans to consider that they are the problem?

Sorry Daisy. You need to be fair and objective.
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Old 10-22-2007
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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So while the Iranian theocracy holds state sponsored "Death to America" rallies, in your opinion it is Americans who are antagonizing the situation.

I have to disagree.

I would say the Iranian people have been very misled over the decades about their Iranian govt's demonization of America, aka the Great Satan. I think it is just a ploy to divert attention away from domestic issues. I think it is evident in the growing disenfranchisement of the younger generations in Iran who are not in step with the theocracy.

But you ONLY want Americans to consider that they are the problem?

Sorry Daisy. You need to be fair and objective.
Some suggestions:

1. read about Operation Ajax
2. read about the regime of the Shah
3. read about the SAVAK and who was training them
4. read about the prelude to and the reasons behind the occupation of the US embassy in Tehran
5. read about US support to Saddam during the first Gulf War

And then come back.
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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Once again, it is not MEMRI's job to reproduce the entire content of the official arab press. If the arab leaders want the enire contents translated it would be the easiest thing in the world to just publish accurate english translations of all their official newspapers and television shows. That would instantly put MEMRI right out of business. I personally would have no problem at all with that.
No it isn't, but they seem to go to great lengths to reproduce the entire content with regard to the crap the Arab media is producing ...


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I don't believe that is their goal. I also don't think it's relevant to the accuracy of the translations. But it is one of the reasons "I personally never believe any source unreservedly - including Memri."
Talking about relevancy, then the accuracy of their translations isn't relevant either. Point of this thread was that, despite all the crap they are bringing about Israel, they are also capable of broadcasting programs in favor of the jews.
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Then you wouldn't mind providing a source. As I said, I would be interested in seeing this/these reports.
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United States > Iran
United States > Australia
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

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No it isn't, but they seem to go to great lengths to reproduce the entire content with regard to the crap the Arab media is producing ...
Do you have a point here?
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Talking about relevancy, then the accuracy of their translations isn't relevant either. Point of this thread was that, despite all the crap they are bringing about Israel, they are also capable of broadcasting programs in favor of the jews.
Of course the accuracy is relevant. I have no interest in reading inaccurate translations. Which is why it's important that even MEMRI's enemies admit the translations are accurate.
I am glad the Iranian government has allowed a television broadcast that admits the existence of the holocaust. Maybe someday they'll stop the vile and disgusting daily broadcast and print propaganda that continues as we speak. In the meantime I am not so overcome with admiration for this momentary acknowledgement of reality that I can forget what usually passes for entertainment there.
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

Your first link is from 2001.

The other links do not directly link the lack of intelligence about the Iran nuclear program to a lack in Farsi-speaking analysts.

Thanks to the previous administration's major cuts in the intelligence community, combined with the 9/11 attacks, our intelligence community was lacking. There is still room for growth in Farsi, and other midle eastern language speakers, but great strides have been made in that direction.

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Old 10-27-2007
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Re: Iranian state TV runs series on Holocaust in primetime

You can't even begin to learn Arabic without backlash. The Arabic school in New York was practically shut down because of the idea that teaching kids Arabic would teach them how to be suicide bombers. So, no, teaching/learning Arabic is not high on our list of things to do in America. And Farsi is a smaller language than Arabic.

We didn't have Arabic speakers before 9/11 and none to cut with budget cuts.
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