Curious, does anyone around here know any Nazi quotes?

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

I will not defend Iran on there human rights record but I will point out that there is many countries in the Middle East and a good few of them called US friendly which have records just as bad and some cases worse. Turkey would be a great example, up until the EU told them to cop on, they did nothing to clean up there act.

Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Hermann Goering - April 18, 1946
Nuremberg Diary (Farrar, Straus & Co 1947), by Gustave Gilbert

sorry, I couldn't resist. Its such a great quote.

Andrew

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Perhaps not for a radioactive attack but an actual nuclear bomb would absolutely call for immediate retaliation. It might not even be a nuclear retaliation, but carpet bombing is just as effective and far more profitable.

This is precisely why the response would be immediate. To avoid missing the opportunity. Regime change in Iran is a goal of both democrats and republicans.

It would be defense in the face of clear and present danger, not retaliation. (and that might even be true).

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

What would be the delivery mechanism? If it's a sneak attack under civilian guise, I can't see "immediate retaliation." The country will not just select a country to counter-attack against and hope it's the right one. IMO, of course. You're entitled to believe what you want.

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Yes - this is the Nazi heritage so much loved by US presidents and the Bush Hawks. Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 911 etc are good examples how this principle has been implemented by US presidents. Bush is copying Goering and Goebbels 1 : 1 which is quite strange ... even if his family was supporting Hitler and Gestapo. Also the methods of 911 (Reichstags fire), dominance theory (PNAC) and controlling citizens (Patriot Act) have been directly copied from the Nazies.

The selection won't be any country, it will be Iran. Im just not of the mind that would look such a gift-horse in the mouth and wait for the detractors and the naysayers to put doubt in peoples minds.

Even if you are right, iran would not take such a risk. Which is the point i was making to begin with.

And who is to ensure that these terrorists would not use the bomb against iran or her interests?

The entire notion of a state actor giving a nuclear bomb to a militia group is ridiculous.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

This should be a separate thread, but I love Nazi quotes.

Adolf Hitler, the father of modern politics.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

There are so many ways:

A cargo ship in international waters, with medium range missiles.

A cargo container with a GPS trigger.

And it wouldn't even matter who the attacker was, as any retaliation wouldn't reduce the risk of further attacks, as they would already be en route. All we could do is deal with the aftermath, seal our boarders, and wait. I know, doesn't sound very appealing, but it certainly doesn't do anyone any good having a panic attack and retaliating based on assumptions. That would just create more enemies...

The best defense against a state sponsored/initiated attack is through diplomacy, trade relations, and respect.

The more people go on and on about not normalizing relations with our designated enemies, the more and more they will remain our enemies, and a threat to our national security.

We need to be fostering good will in the world, not threatening it with destruction. But I understand that this concept is totally foreign to many.

War makes a few very rich, while peace makes many richer.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Yes. It will prevent at least one war, namely a war of aggression against Iran led by the US and Israel. Therefor, it will save the lives of tens of thousands.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

On the contrary, if Iran were about to obtain a nuclear weapon, you would almost certainly see military conflict. A nuclear-armed Iran is an unacceptable risk to the security of the region, and the US and Israel (and probably most of the Western world) will not tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran, whether Republicans or Democrats are in power.

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Quote of the Day:

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

-Ronald Reagan

Hey, I've got another good one...

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph Goebbels

Posted a couple times in this thread already, starting in post 142 ~15 hours ago....

Matt

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Oops. Thought it had started with Speakeasy's suggestion. Anyway, it's such a great quote, it won't hurt anybody to read it again.

LOL, I was joking.

Any thread with MyLai in it is going to have mounds of Nazi quotes..

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics