Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Current Events > Breaking News in Politics

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
WestCoastJTF WestCoastJTF is offline
Citizen

 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1

   
Angry Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

As you may have see in the news, the Guantanamo “Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedures” manual was leaked in the news today. You can find a copy at Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedure - Wikileaks.

I wrote a letter to my congressman and the Bureau of Prisons asking a simple question.

Section 6 provides instructions on how the soldiers are supposed to handle the Koran:

• "Clean gloves will be put on in full view of the detainees prior to handling"
• "Two hands will be used at all times when handling the Koran in [a] manner signaling respect and reverence. Care should be used so that the right hand is the primary one used to manipulate any part of the Koran due to the cultural association with the left hand. Handle the Koran as if it were a fragile piece of delicate art."
• The soldiers are not even allowed to flip through it to look for contraband...they can only request that the detainee turn to a particular page.

Question: Are the same rules are applied to all Federal prisoners regarding the Holy Bible. If not, why not?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
Donkey_Left's Avatar
Donkey_Left Donkey_Left is offline
President
Sinner

 
Member Since: Jan 2005
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 12,544

United_States     Colombia

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Because the religious concepts associated with the Bible are not the same as with the Koran.
__________________
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
Meridious's Avatar
Meridious Meridious is offline
Ron Paul is a Nutwackaroo

 
Member Since: Jun 2005
Location: USA - Beacon of Freedom and Democracy
Posts: 2,899

Alaska     Scotland

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

"Holy Biblers" aren't mass murdering Americans nor out to destroy America. If they were, it would be against the rules to speak ill of Christianity, the bible would be issued in schools, there would be rules about not targeting Christians, there would be Christian alters in Airports, etc etc.

We are SOOOOOOO afraid of irritating the mass murderer Islamofascists.
__________________

"War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means"
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
TheLastBoyScout's Avatar
TheLastBoyScout TheLastBoyScout is online now
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: U.S.A
Posts: 3,718

United_States    
Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

I think tolerance is a cornerstone of Christianity. Jesus' teachings were to turn the other cheek and forgive when affronted or assaulted.

I think intolerance is a cornerstone of Islamic teachings.

Both religions have been distorted by extremists. The extreme ideals of the Islamic side, however, are much more dangerous for the world.
__________________


Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
noahath noahath is offline
Moderator
Passionate idealist

 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,199

Australia    
Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meridious View Post
"Holy Biblers" aren't mass murdering Americans nor out to destroy America. If they were, it would be against the rules to speak ill of Christianity, the bible would be issued in schools, there would be rules about not targeting Christians, there would be Christian alters in Airports, etc etc.

We are SOOOOOOO afraid of irritating the mass murderer Islamofascists.
You're quite right ... to a degree. However one needs to remember that the Islamofascists that you refer to are fundamentalists, which means that they adhere to EVERY word and teaching contained within the Koran. There are Christian fundamentalists also, and it is these people who go around murdering abortion clinic staff, etc ... granted, it's not where near the same scale, but don't for a moment think that these kinds of actions are solely contained within Islam.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
tiny tim's Avatar
tiny tim tiny tim is offline
City Council Member
the roser

 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 150

United_States     Illinois

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Because we know everyone at Gitmo is a murdering Islamofascist right? I'm offended but for different reasons. Taking these silly fairy tales seriously only propagates them. But the guards are probably just trying to keep the peace and make their day go smoothly.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
noahath noahath is offline
Moderator
Passionate idealist

 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,199

Australia    
Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny tim View Post
Because we know everyone at Gitmo is a murdering Islamofascist right? I'm offended but for different reasons. Taking these silly fairy tales seriously only propagates them. But the guards are probably just trying to keep the peace and make their day go smoothly.
No, that's not the case at all. I never said everyone at Gitmo was guilty. In fact, very few of those at Gitmo, or who have been there have been found guilty. I wasn't specifically referring to those people, but more generally to those terrorists who identify as Muslim ... in much the same way as they are terrorists who identify as Christian.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
bigTlilODD bigTlilODD is offline
Secretary of Defense

 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 2,796

United_States     New_Mexico

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

This is all the neocons fault.
__________________
Anyone ask Hillary what kind of underwear she wears, yet?

Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2007
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Non-wussy liberal

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 12,850

Scotland     Colorado

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Much ado about nothing.

IIRC, the Torah requires similar handling.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
Mrs. M's Avatar
Mrs. M Mrs. M is offline
Madam of the B'day Girls
Just call me Sugah!

 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 19,250

United_States     Louisiana

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donkey_Left View Post
Because the religious concepts associated with the Bible are not the same as with the Koran.
Exactly. While we don't like people showing malicious disrespect for the Bible, such as burning it just because of what's written inside, there are no rules associated with the handling of it.
__________________
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"


Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
Donkey_Left's Avatar
Donkey_Left Donkey_Left is offline
President
Sinner

 
Member Since: Jan 2005
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 12,544

United_States     Colombia

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. M View Post
Exactly. While we don't like people showing malicious disrespect for the Bible, such as burning it just because of what's written inside, there are no rules associated with the handling of it.
I think that burning any book* is a sin.



*with the exception of those written by Dan Brown.
__________________
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
Non Sequitur's Avatar
Non Sequitur Non Sequitur is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member

 
Member Since: Jun 2006
Location: Saginaw
Posts: 1,057

United_States     Netherlands

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

It's just respect for a different tradition's view of their holy text, I wouldn't even want the Bible to be handled that way. The Bible should not be the object of reverence (that would be border line Idolatry in my mind), God should.
__________________
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent."
-John Calvin

Last edited by Non Sequitur; 11-15-2007 at 10:23 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
Donkey_Left's Avatar
Donkey_Left Donkey_Left is offline
President
Sinner

 
Member Since: Jan 2005
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 12,544

United_States     Colombia

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
It's just respect for a different traditions view of their holy text, I wouldn't even want the Bible to be handled that way. The Bible should not be the object of reverence (that would be border line Idolatry in my mind), God should.
Even as a semiatheist, I definitely agree with this point.
__________________
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
Analyst's Avatar
Analyst Analyst is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member

 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Global
Posts: 1,307

Finland     European_Union

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

Bibel is a story book (compilation of heavily edited old texts) which has been missused through its history - it has authorized slavery, killing, occupation, humiliation of other nations - those who believe in this god are better people who have been authorized by god to do whatevet they want.

Those people who are buried to Guantanamo are those who know too much about Bush conspiracies (all the 911 cover-up group is there) - plus a collection of other ones to hide that fact. Probably there are no criminals at all - there is no any evidence on that. The US prisons are equal to Hitler's concentration camps ... racist torturing camps to warn everybody who say a sigle word against Bush Hawks. Hitler and Goebbels designed the idea of such canps for Bush.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2007
tiny tim's Avatar
tiny tim tiny tim is offline
City Council Member
the roser

 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 150

United_States     Illinois

Re: Koran handled more respectfully than the Bible?

OK then.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright © 2000 - 2008 U.S. Politics Online