The top ten surnames in the US that is, with Martinez at number 11.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/us...hp&oref=slogin
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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

That was eventually bound to happen given they're the new huge influx of immigrants and western Europe has been sending few by comparison.

The article is correct that in the past many people changed their names and that some of the really popular ones also cross nationalities.

For example, the Germans are the largest ethnic group here IIRC. The British nations and the Irish run close races for the second and third. A large number of Germans anglicised their names, especially during the war years with Germany when tremendous social pressures by flagwaivers were put on German Americans to renounce their ethnic language (which was strongly retained over generations in the rural east and Midwest with the large influx of Germans during the mid-1800s and in colonial era German settled areas of Pennsylvania, etc) attributes and identities. Very common German surnames like Muller and Mueller were frequently made into Miller. Miller is even a very common name amongst the Amish, who are doubtlessly of German stock. The similarly common German surname Schmidt also became Smith for many. 'Real' Millers and Smiths, if you will, are also common surnames in both Britain and Ireland. Given the early Anglo-Saxon domination, slaves often got their surnames from them, including the popular ones. Other nationalities with complicated surnames for English speakers often modified them into common surnames already here. Add all these numbers and factors together and it answers why they are so popular in the US.

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James Hoban. Irish Architect. Member of the Royal Dublin Society. Hoban designed and built the White House and based it upon the top exterior and interior two floors of Leinster House, then known as Kildare House, which is now the current Irish Parliament building. He was also a supervisory architect of the US Capitol Building.

*Sigh*

Goober as much as you'd like to make this an issue of breaking news of the downfall of the white man all that is gonna happen is these immigrants are gonna be the one and the same as every other influx of Christian immigrants (Italians, Irish, German and now the Mexicans) and eventually you'll be just as pissed off that they too will vote for the GOP as you are that everyone else who does so turned to us instead of your party.

At least you still have the Jewish vote, must really kill you to have to reply on them to get you elected right?

Latinos are indeed, IMO, the next group running the gauntlet towards eventual merging as the Irish and Germans first did followed by northern, southern and eastern Europeans and Asians, and they are already voting either as Dems or Reps like the others. In fact, Bush got 40-some percent of Latino votes in 2004 by courting social and religious conservatives where many Latinos find themselves. The kickback on immigration as a wedge issue will cause a backlash in the near future, but over time with continued acceptance and intermixings I expect they'll just be the next Joe Average American on the street, intermixed with other ethnicities to a great degree, whose had ancestors from Latin America who migrated here. It's already happening.

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James Hoban. Irish Architect. Member of the Royal Dublin Society. Hoban designed and built the White House and based it upon the top exterior and interior two floors of Leinster House, then known as Kildare House, which is now the current Irish Parliament building. He was also a supervisory architect of the US Capitol Building.

Right, the key being that so many of those latino comminities are so heavily Christian did us very well in 2004; helped us carry NM i think and the consensus was, like you said with the immigration issue that it all worked out well. But i do indeed expect a bad tumble due to the immigration mess on our side.

goober;
Lol. It's a bit too late for Separation Barriers, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Still, the 'white man', as Traveler calls him, can always merge the Papacy with the Presidency and grow moustaches.

One has to laugh;
It looks like Secular Man is headed for extinction.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

People usually have a major political event in their family history that determines how the family considers themselves politically.
From the 1860's to the 1920's most people voted based on where their ancestors had been during the Civil War, the major exception to this was the Irish, with the great famine being the major event in their political history, and as the Irish became citizens and got the vote, this defining political event, a million people starving to death while the government did nothing, became the basis for the liberal politics that sprang up from the areas dominated by the Irish vote.
The Great Depression redefined the politics of many groups, blacks who had always voted heavily for Lincoln's party switched to voting heavily for Roosevelt's party, Social justice voters moved from the GOP where they had been attracted by reformers like Teddy Roosevelt, to the "Poor Man's Friend" Franklin Roosevelt.
Through the use of money the GOP gerrymandered a drift to the center into a slim GOP majority, culminating with the Bush Supremacy, and the complete failure of "conservative" ideas in a real world setting, shifting the American political landscape to the left.

Now as Latinos become a major voting block, their major defining event is a GOP that talks about shooting them as they cross the border, and the huge threat these dark skinned invaders pose to decent white christians.
Maybe in hundred years something will come along so they'll vote republican, but in the mean time, this group will be growing larger, and growing democratic.

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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

Yawn.... I live in Los Angeles, this is OLD news for me. BFD.

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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama

I think you're mistaken about that.

My wife is Ecuadorian (she came here when she was 9-years-old). Her family is obviously hispanic/latino, and it's fairly large. She also worked for Goya foods for 3 years, so we've got a pretty large group of hispanic/latino friends and family.

Almost without exception, this large group of legal (and thus, enfranchised) immigrants opposes illegal immigration and they tend, on average, to be much more conservative toward border security and immigration policy than I am (I'm 3rd generation American of Polish, German, & Irais ancestry).

As a "voting bloc" (your term, which implies the actual right to vote), these "dark skinned invaders" (again, your term) are just as concerned about the threat posed by unchecked illegal immigration as any other group of Americans.

Added to that is the issue of "fairness". These legal immigrants waited a long time and jumped through a lot of hoops to get to this country legally. Not only are they offended that others circumvent the legal requirements that they respected, but many also still have family living in Central and South America and Mexico that they would very much like to bring north. It's a no-brainer that these people would be in favor of restricting the illegal immigration in order to force the government to broaden the policy on legal immigration which would better the chances of their family members voming north.

Finally, as has been mentioned, there is also the issue of Christianity. Many of these people are very conservative Roman Catholics. They're the sort of people who still take the edicts of their Bishops seriously, and truly do consider the Pope to be God's representative on Earth. They're not huge fans of liberal social policy when it sets its sights on removing traditional Christian morality from the law.

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...Old Europe, a once-dominant region now reduced to sucking at the geopolitical teat of America... they spent the better part of the last millennium conquering the world and taking the good stuff home with them... And what do they get for their troubles? Ungrateful colonies demanding their independence. And after you taught them how to play cricket!...

-Jon Stewart

Does anybody have any idea as to the ongoing Zionist activity to influence the future Hispanic majority in America towards its policies of apartheid and hegemony ?

This is probably too much of a leap from the topic so I'll start another thread.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Ok, some insight time.

A very large number of legal, and especially South American immigrants are conservative. This is either because they have a lot of money, and wanted to live in the states, and/or they LEFT Latin America for Political reasons.

People who don't like the Chavezes/Ortegas/Perones/Allendes of the world came to the capitalist paradise of the states.*

However, the vast majority of Hispanic immigrants are still Mexicans who came here, or their families did, for economic reasons, either legally or otherwise. As such, they are probably more likely to vote for left wing candidates, when they, or their children, get the right to vote. The anti-immigration mantra that many on the right wing are touting will certainly not help.



*This is not to suggest that all South American/(Relatively!) affluent hispanic families are conservative. Case in point myself and my roommate. My dad is from Colombia and I am extremely left wing, and my parents, while perhaps more conservative than myself, are quite liberal as well. My roommate is from a pretty well off Mexican family, and he is about as liberal as me. We tend to be extremely sympathetic towards illegal immigrants from a both moral and pragmatic perspective.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

Don't confuse an anecdote with demographic data.
There will always be Latinos who vote Republican, and black Republicans, and Jewish Republicans, but it was considered quite a feat for Bush to get 40% of the Latino vote, and based on the anti-immigrant rhetoric aimed at the shrinking white racist block (the most reliable part of the GOP base), it will be sometime before another GOP presidential candidate gets 40% of the Latino vote.

Christian issues don't all fall neatly into the Republican column either.
Absent the Abortion wedge issue, social justice issues are mainly Democratic vote getters, and Latin American Catholicism is heavily influenced by "Liberation Theology" which definitely has a leftist leaning.

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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

Regarding Bush: he, or his handlers, seem to realize that the Republicans have to court the Latino vote. He seems very intelligent about going about that. I'm surprised that more Republicans haven't caught on.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9