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Re: Cultural tolerance? I think not.

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In the disappeared thread re Brett Golden and his alleged criminal activities, several posters said something about his comments making them almost ashamed to be white. I made a comment, that one good thing that came from having the likes of BG on the forum, was that now perhaps people might know how Muslims might feel (WRT all being tarred with the same brush due to the activity/view of a minority).

You made a comment re Muslims didn't speak out about that. I commented that they did and invited you to PM me if you wanted some examples.

You did so, and I sent you several links.

In that thread - as you acknowledged - your comment was a little off topic - however you still couldn't resist the opportunity to have a dig at muslims.

You have also done it elsewhere.

You never miss an opportunity to bash Muslims, but you are play innocent.

Sorry lady, you've been called out - and this thread is strong evidence that either you really don't care about violence against women, and are using the topic as another opportunity to bash Muslims - or you are such a prima donna that you think you want to become the focus of my attention, and that of WOI.

If this is the case, get over it. I am far more interested in this topic than being sidetracked by your 'look at me, look at me' posts, while you continue to ignore the real issues I have raised.

Incidentally, I found the exchange above where you seem to think culture can be measured in the same way as chemical compounds quite bizarre.
Welldone you figured it all out. I confronted Si Modo with his Muslim bashing issue in his other threads but he kept dodging it whenever I bring it up. He does it all the time when it comes to Terrorism and Islam. Now its Honour Killings and Islam....LOL every organisation in the west that deals with Honour Killings has clearly explained it is part of a corrupted subculture and has nothing to do with Islam yet Mr Si Modo thinks it has everything to do with Islam I told you, he has nightmares about Islam

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In the disappeared thread re Brett Golden and his alleged criminal activities, several posters said something about his comments making them almost ashamed to be white. I made a comment, that one good thing that came from having the likes of BG on the forum, was that now perhaps people might know how Muslims might feel (WRT all being tarred with the same brush due to the activity/view of a minority).

You made a comment re Muslims didn't speak out about that. I commented that they did and invited you to PM me if you wanted some examples.

You did so, and I sent you several links....
And I thanked you, and I read them. But it was still off-topic. How convenient you left that out.

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.... In that thread - as you acknowledged - your comment was a little off topic - however you still couldn't resist the opportunity to have a dig at muslims....
Wow, and "I couldn't resist to have a dig" at a Muslim man who murdered his two teenage daughters and another Muslim man who strangled his teenage daughter. Yeah, you bet; I'll have a "dig" at them. I'll also have a "dig" at Iranians who stone women, legally. I'll also have a dig at countries who allow the possibility of a pardon for a Muslim man or son who murders a female family member becsause of shame. And. I'll have a dig at Muslim pundits who advocate beating disobeidient wives. You bet, I will "have a dig at them". More of a dig than NOW. You are something.

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.... You have also done it elsewhere....
Better post it. If I am going to be slandered by you, you better build a rock-solid case.

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.... You never miss an opportunity to bash Muslims, but you are play innocent....
Never? "Play innocent"? Looks like you are becoming unraveled.

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.... Sorry lady, you've been called out....
And you've revealed yourself as an over-hyped emotional basketcase when one dares to show three recent murders of daughters who have been slain by their male family members.
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.... - and this thread is strong evidence that either you really don't care about violence against women, and are using the topic as another opportunity to bash Muslims....
It's only "strong" evidence in your mind.
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.... - or you are such a prima donna that you think you want to become the focus of my attention, and that of WOI.

If this is the case, get over it. I am far more interested in this topic than being sidetracked by your 'look at me, look at me' posts, while you continue to ignore the real issues I have raised....
[Emphasis mine] .... Check your kitty box; I bet it's in need of a cleaning.

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..... Incidentally, I found the exchange above where you seem to think culture can be measured in the same way as chemical compounds quite bizarre....
Your perceptions are failing you (seems common here). Is that what he was doing? WOI asked a question about it I answered that question. I think it was a ridiculous thing to bring up, but I humored him by correcting then answering his question.

And NOW is a joke and I've said it several times. However, your blind rage when reading my posts allows you to miss so much. Bias indeed.

Better yet, switch to decaf.
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Re: Cultural tolerance? I think not.

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Welldone you figured it all out. I confronted Si Modo with his Muslim bashing issue in his other threads but he kept dodging it whenever I bring it up. He does it all the time when it comes to Terrorism and Islam. Now its Honour Killings and Islam....LOL every organisation in the west that deals with Honour Killings has clearly explained it is part of a corrupted subculture and has nothing to do with Islam yet Mr Si Modo thinks it has everything to do with Islam I told you, he has nightmares about Islam [Emphasis mine] One must question your perception abilitites.

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[Emphasis mine] Your powers of observation are amazing.

You called me out on "Muslim bashing? Please demonstrate to all others who haven't the 'special powers" that you have to be able to see "Muslim bashing" (by the way, I've posted this exchange before in this thread. Your observation skills are not there):

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Bin Laden never talked about an Islamic Caliphate. He had an issue with US bases on the holy land and its involvement in Saudi politics etc.

Dont turn this into a religion bashin thread

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Ummm, yes he did. Haven't you read his many fatwahs? And, don't you think your religion would be better served if you actually condemned these types of actions by other Muslims, rather than trying to label another a bigot? I condemn pedophilic Catholics. I condemn whacko Christians. In doing so, I know I do the majority of my faith more of a service and I don't appear hypocritical.
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How many times do we have to condemn terrorism?? These people are living in MUSLIM countries.... Al Qaeda is not residing in the US is it? How many fkn times do we have to condemn this sht.... they blow up bombs in MUSLIM countries where MUSLIMS are dying... how many fkin times do we have to condemn this sht.

To me they dont represent Islam, they never did and they never will. Now then, do I see alot of your kind condemning Bush for being a Christian Fundamentalist and a maniac?? He claims that his God is telling him things.... telling him to invade Iraq for example. This is pretty serious dont you think??

How about you focus on attacking and condemning terrorism (from all sides) and not someone's religion, dont get faith involved, you will loose those moderate Muslims who also hate terrorism. They DONT appreciate their faith being tarnished... simple as that! It is idiotic to believe that Muslims support Al Qaeda because OBL might have talked about a Caliphate.

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PS: Once upon a time, the CIA trained Bin Laden and his lot. Oh yes it armed and trained Saddam and his lot too.
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Rather than direct your anger at those who bring the acts of terrorists who are Muslim to the attention of the rest of us, you would be better served to direct your anger at those terrorists who are Muslim. But, oh well.

Also, please provide support for your claim that the CIA trained Bin Laden. But, don't fool yourself; diverting the topic of this thread in that direction will do nothing to change the fact that these are Muslims who have threatened the rally.
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Yes. Africa is quickly becoming more of a hot spot for terrorists who are Muslim. Lets' not forget the State Department employee who was murdered in Sudan this week shortly after the UN got involved in the Darfur problem. Although not officially determined who assisinated this State Dep't employee, the evidence is pointing in the direction of Muslim extremists (or extremists who are Muslim...whatever floats your boat).
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I already discussed the topic of what terrorists should be named in the other thread. Its like calling Hitler a Christian.... you can call terrorists "Muslims" all you want. You;re just showing that your issue here is not with the terrorists but with Islam and Muslims. Its ok, let it out... I know you want to.

Anyway I am not goin to look up the CIA relationship with OBL, il let you do that, or else you will continue dwelling in ignorance.

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Ah. It's just so much easier to attempt labeling another a bigot than facing reality.

You make a red-herring claim; you are challenged to provide support for it; then you claim the other is ignorant. Brilliant.
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No just cant be bothered proving to you that 1+1=2 ... the US training Al Qaeda and Taliban and armed them against the Soviets... its part of your friggin history.... Back then, Ronald Reagan liked to call bin Laden and his cohorts "freedom fighters."

Just type "CIA trained Taliban" in google and take your pick. If you are ignorant about this issue then am afraid you are ignorant about bigger more important issues. Keep up... these are facts from the 80s!!

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And that is a red-herring (with no support whatsoever except for your claim that I am ignorant). Very weak indeed.

However, terrorists who are Muslim have affected a sporting event steeped in long tradition with their violence. Bully for them.
Poor terrorists who are Muslim. Big, bad, Si Modo dares to discuss them.

Oh, Captain Astute, Si Modo is a she. My numerous hints (and those of others) have been completely lost on you.

Hmmmmm, now where is that thread for making up crap about Si modo? Now I know three certain participants.

On a serious note, if one falsely calls wolf often enough, no one will be there when he really does need help.
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What didn't I answer?
Thank you for your concession and confirmation. Over and out.
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Thank you for your concession and confirmation. Over and out.
Is that the "you're too stupid to know so I'm not going to tell you" tactic or is it the "I think I'll be so obscure so that no one knows what I am asking and I risk nothing" tactic? Both are pathethic tactics. It's called communication, but you must believe it is beneath you. Also, if you are in the "Si modo is a bigot" club, show evidence that I have generalized all Muslims. If not, then enjoy the club. It must be fun to make up stuff about others for some, because most think it's tactless.
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Is that the "you're too stupid to know so I'm not going to tell you" tactic or is it the "I think I'll be so obscure so that no one knows what I am asking and I risk nothing" tactic? Both are pathethic tactics. It's called communication, but you must believe it is beneath you.
You mean to say that it didn't occur to you that he was asking for a yes or no reply?

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Would you call something that has an incidence of 0.000833% a characteristic of a culture/religion/whatever?
Yes or no?
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You mean to say that it didn't occur to you that he was asking for a yes or no reply?

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Yes or no?
I called it too much. Good enough for you?
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I called it too much. Good enough for you?
I'm well aware that you said it was too much, but does that mean that you do consider something with such little occurrence to be an Islamic characteristic -- yes or no?
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I'm well aware that you said it was too much, but does that mean that you do consider something with such little occurrence to be an Islamic characteristic -- yes or no?
The only reason anyone would need to ask me that question is because they bit - hook, line, and sinker - the bigot word being slung around in this thread toward me with no support whatsoever. Never did I say it, never will I say it. Only others HOPE I say it.

By the way, these three teenage girls are dead because the male members of their families who are Muslim killed them. Let's not forget that women are frequently stoned in Iran as it's allowed by law. Also, many theocracies based on Islam allow for pardons in the case of honor killings and their laws allow for beating "disobedient" wives. And NOW says nothing about these crimes on our soil.
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OK - well I thought I was. Its not 'Americanness' that caused these killings at all. there may be aspects of the culture that make violence more likely to occur - but I don't think this is part of being an American.
“part” of being an American no, but its pervasive in our culture...frontier mentality, 2nd amendment, our media re: TV schlock, we certainly have created a playing field where in violence surrounds us....
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Frank's point re religion of perpetrators of violence is very interesting - and I don't know the answers. I can only gather, from local knowledge, that Muslims IN GENERAL are less represented among those convicted of violent crimes in this state.
I measure such things on a statistical basis Daisym; one can argue about 'honour killings' until the cows come home but the statistics are the tell tale sign.

Oh and thanks for the compliment; I tend to avoid philosophical and theological debates when measuring the costs vs: benefits of diversity.

However, as illustrated earlier I will clear up theological misconceptions regarding holy texts; you should see my criticisms of the Babylonian Talmud...
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The only reason anyone would need to ask me that question is because they bit - hook, line, and sinker - the bigot word being slung around in this thread toward me with no support whatsoever. Never did I say it, never will I say it. Only others HOPE I say it.

By the way, these three teenage girls are dead because the male members of their families who are Muslim killed them. Let's not forget that women are frequently stoned in Iran as it's allowed by law. Also, many theocracies based on Islam allow for pardons in the case of honor killings and their laws allow for beating "disobedient" wives. And NOW says nothing about these crimes on our soil.
Well, if nothing else, we can dispense with this business about the "you're too stupid to know so I'm not going to tell you" tactic or is it the 'I think I'll be so obscure so that no one knows what I am asking and I risk nothing' tactic?"


Has it occurred to you that these sorts of incidents are indicative of tribalism rather than Islam?

Also, the US has a tendency to fund the most virulently violent in these societies, i.e. the mujahadeen in Afghanistan, which is completely antithetical to bringing them out of the dark ages. It's sad to say but Afghanistan was better off under the pro-Soviet regimes of the 70's than what we had to offer them. All we cared about was weakening the Soviets, and once that was accomplished, we turned our backs on them. With respect to Saudi Arabia and the debauched Saudi royals, all we care about is the oil.

So you see, America really isn't in a position from which to render moral judgements from on high. Perhaps if we get our act together and pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, morally speaking, we will someday be a positive voice for change.
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Didn't one of the thread participants supporting the position of religion generating violence recently do a long thread on an emotional hatred of Muslims (eventually adjusted to extremist Muslims) due to losing friends/family or such in 911?
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Didn't one of the thread participants supporting the position of religion generating violence recently do a long thread on an emotional hatred of Muslims (eventually adjusted to extremist Muslims) due to losing friends/family or such in 911?
And was that participant "supporting