Sounds like a contradiction. If it is Islam, wouldn't every Muslim practice it?

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Can you cite any credible studies showing that Muslims commit more violence against women than Christians do?

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For the same motive oh braintrust?

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I thought you'd start hedging your bets pretty quickly.

And here's something else to ponder: is it possible that tribalism is the dominant causative factor, rather than Islam?

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Quickly? your observarion skills are non-existent. Motive was brought up in the first page. Either you didn't read the whole thread or completely missed it. Look for it, as I don't spoon feed those who don't try to pay attention.

And the most common religion in those tribes is what? But, if that is your excuse for the abuse of women by these Msulims, sleep well. Any Native American tribes who do this? And I know damn well that these three girls were killed by family members who are Muslim.

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There's a reason the US invented the wife beater t-shirt!

The latest UNICEF report on female abuse I could find was 2000, which averaged 35% of females had experienced some form of physical abuse for ME countries and 28% for the US. A 7% difference, considering the vast cultural differences between the two areas, seems insignificant for discussion purposes. Far too insignificant to define as excessive abuse by Muslims vrs Christians.

Africa is where a woman is in real trouble, mostly thanks to the endless, bloody, post-colonial civil strife resulting in male emotional inadequacy within the generally male dominated culture.

Ah, so it's the motivation that you're interested in, not the violence itself? Or is violence against women wrong regardless of motivation?



I didn't use the word excuse, or say anything to the effect that I think such behavior should be excused, I'm merely interested in identifying the causative factors and looking at the possibility that Islam merely coincides with other factors that are causative.

It's certainly possible that Islam is a causative factor in violence against women, but again, I wonder if it is any more so than Christianity.

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So we in the states haven't quite got the problem whipped yet, have we?

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--Hunter S. Thompson

Seems obvious Christianity isn't the solution, but maybe with more time.......

I tell ya, it just ain't right that those goddamned Mooslims can't bring themselves to only abuse 28% of their womenfolk!

Who do they think they are!

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just for accuracies sake, lets please remember that the woman in the ME are probably half as likely to report such.....as unfortunately they don't have the legal protections, or even grass roots organizations etc..not even on a that woman here do.....just throwing that out there...along with our interpretation of abuse may be more “sensitive” than theirs as well..

the 35% sounds uhm, close to what I would expect…I have to admit….

africa? everyone is in trouble.....

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Non-reporting is also a problem in developed countries, due more to the social stigma and probable loss of income in the event of an arrest. A cop I know said that until laws changed regarding domestic abuse (if the officer sees signs of physical abuse an arrest may now be made) charges were almost never pressed by the victim. In many cases he says the victims became agitated that the police were interfering with their privacy because neighbors summoned them (police) due to screaming sounding like someone was being murdered. Cops have told me a domestic disturbance is their most dreaded call, the Xmas holidays bringing vast increases in those problems due to alcohol consumption during the holidays.

Abuse of women in the US is not limited by sociodemographics (or religion). Upper class women are estimated to be abused at the same rate as their poorer counterparts but the enhanced social stigma, accommodating physicians and mental health confidentiality skew those reports.

Another thing to consider is the type of abuse. Although woman in developed countries are abused ( and I am not trying to minimize it ) it is a different kind of abuse than what ME woman go thru. Their whole life is abuse...they are not allowed to drive autos, leave the house without a man, be alone with a man that is not her husband etc.

Women in Iraq had those privileges before they were democratized.

As long as they didn't catch the eye of someone in Saddam's regime. They would not enjoy that attention (well maybe the gold toilets). As long as they we're scientists trying to sabotage their own work and didn't get caught. If they did, it was a wood chipper for them or a similar torture or death. Ah, yes, it was such a paradise before the evil Americans and others came into Iraq. But it is easy to have a selective memory when one is "Americano".

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