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I glanced at the thread but didn't see any posts I made.
Looks like he has you confused with Moon.
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Looks like he has you confused with Moon.
Not surprising, anyone who supports current US ME policy has to be somewhat confused about many things.
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Well, seems doing neither worked out just fine.
Duh, since neither was done.
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Duh, since neither was done.
How's the dredging going?
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Where did I say Iraq? I said ME woman. Each country has there own laws for woman and I think you should study up on them. I know for a fact that many of the laws I stated are in place, plus more horrendous ones that I didnt mention. What did the Taliban do for woman in Afganistan? They werent allowed to even go to school. Couldnt wear make up etc. They were taken to the stadium that, I think the UN paid for, and beheaded for these crimes.
Afghanistan isn't in the middle East.
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Looks like he has you confused with Moon.
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Afghanistan isn't in the middle East.
Where do you think it is?
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Where do you think it is?
It's actually considered part of Asia, if I remember correctly.
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Where do you think it is?
To the north east of the ME, which is comprised of :

Just in case, it's not Arabic either.

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It's actually considered part of Asia, if I remember correctly.
Indeed.
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To the north east of the ME, which is comprised of :

Just in case, it's not Arabic either.


Indeed.
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Name Afghanistan

(long form) Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

Population 29,929,000

Population & Density (all countries) here

Capital City Kãbul (2.9 million)

Currency Afghani (AFA)

Currency Converter here

Languages Afghan Persian (official), Pashtu (official), Turkic languages and local dialects

Flag here

National Day August 19

Religions Sunni Muslim (80%), Shi'a Muslim (19%)

The meaning of "stan" here!

Geographic Coordinates

Latitude/Longitude (Capital City)
34º 31' N, 69º 11' E

Relative Location Afghanistan is landlocked, and situated in both the northern and eastern hemispheres. It's positioned in the Middle East, a recognized geographical region of southwestern Asia. It's bordered by the countries of China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
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To the north east of the ME, which is comprised of :

Just in case, it's not Arabic either.


Indeed.

I cant read your map and I couldnt get mine to copy. The middle east is where Africa, Europe and Asia meet. I think it is considered West Asia. Afganistan is most definitely in the middle east.
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I cant read your map and I couldnt get mine to copy. The middle east is where Africa, Europe and Asia meet. I think it is considered West Asia. Afghanistan is most definitely in the middle east.
generally it is considered part of south Asia. The main language is Dari (or Afghan Persian/Farsi), culturally it is more similar to Pakistan than most ME nations.

Kabul in the early '70's was far more modern than anywhere else in southern Asia - however Afghanistan was always really two nations. The tribal/more traditional society was a sharp contrast to Kabul, where women were educated and wore western clothing.

Politically however it was unstable, and the Russian invasion was inevitable. Unfortunateky, in 'helping' the Afghan people fight the communist invaders, the west sponsored hard line extremists, and this resulted in a 'marrying' if you like of tribal southern Asian Islam (as found in parts of Pakistan as well as Afghanistan) with the extremism of the Islamic brotherhood (see Sayed Kutb for further background) and hardline wahabbism.

not a good mix.

anyway - this of course meant that the situation we hear about under the Taliban became the norm - eventually - however we should also remember that in some ways the Taliban were a blessing - they brought some stability.

Having said that - I have known women who left that country under taliban rule - afrad for their sons as well as themselves and their daughters. The stability was one thing - but for those who could remember a different Afghanistan, in many ways it was no better than the anarchy that preceded their gaining power.

Anyway - back to topic: I found this article: http://www.occri.org.uk/Articles/HonourKillings.htm

People working with multicultural services in the west are going to have a far better handle on what is happening than people who selectively grab newspaper headlines and use them as a basis for their understanding of the issue.

I also looked at some Australian stats - there were a few cases of DV resulting in homicide in multicultural communities - but they weren't broken down according to religion. The highest rates of DV resulting in homicide do not occur among immigrant communities

I also looked at ethnic gangs and violence. There wasn't much on violence, however those who were seen to be most problematic for the police included Aboriginal, white Anglo Australian and Vietnamese. Greeks, Turks, Somalis and 'other' were seen as far less of a problem.

I don't have those two refs right now, but I think that more detailed information should be interesting. I will have to keep looking.
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Re: Cultural tolerance? I think not.

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Figures

Name Afghanistan

(long form) Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

Population 29,929,000

Population & Density (all countries) here

Capital City Kãbul (2.9 million)

Currency Afghani (AFA)

Currency Converter here

Languages Afghan Persian (official), Pashtu (official), Turkic languages and local dialects

Flag here

National Day August 19

Religions Sunni Muslim (80%), Shi'a Muslim (19%)

The meaning of "stan" here!

Geographic Coordinates

Latitude/Longitude (Capital City)
34º 31' N, 69º 11' E

Relative Location Afghanistan is landlocked, and situated in both the northern and eastern hemispheres. It's positioned in the Middle East, a recognized geographical region of southwestern Asia. It's bordered by the countries of China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
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I cant read your map and I couldnt get mine to copy. The middle east is where Africa, Europe and Asia meet. I think it is considered West Asia. Afganistan is most definitely in the middle east.
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Your source is worldatlas.com, which you should have mentioned. Plagiarism is ugh.

It's only American sources that would include the Central Asian countries such as Afghanistan in the Middle East. It's a local, politically motivated, inclusion. It's not recognized outside of the US. Orwellian Newspeak doesn't sit well in the global community.
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