And what is your opinion ? Do you think that Muslims systematically murder out of honour ?

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This shows that you know very little about the Muslims, a religion with various interpretations, spread on several continents and encompassing several cultures.

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No I don't...BUT, the structure is there that does sppt. such, and make it more amendable, add to that, there is, lets say zero shame involved. In fact if he went back to paki, his village might make him the head man.

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Fine.
Now when are you going to address the substance of the critique?

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Fine. Exacrly whit IS your critique.

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What would you call endemic or very common ? An incidence rate of say 5% such as 'endemic' is used in ecology or medicine ? That would mean every day 75,000,000 muslims commit infanticide or honour killings. Strange that the media gives that no attention.
If on the other hand, one looks at the actual yearly incidence, of 0.0000833 % [1], it becomes immediately obvious this is not common at all, by any stretch of the imagination. If an incidence of this order of magnitude is sufficient to attribute the whole group with the characteristic, then literally everything can be attributed to every arbitrary group.

Never seen such a thing.

That is utterly ridiculous, begging your pardon. Just compare the situation of muslims in Saudi Arabia, with that in Turkey and then with that in a western European country. It's a difference of day and night. From an entirely western lifestyle, to a strict secularism, to application of the Shari'a. You can't get much farther apart.

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Three (3) reported cases on a population of 3,600,000 : 3M in the USA; i.e. 1% of 300M and 600,000 in Canada; i.e. 1.9% of 32M. (One of the cases was in Ontario).

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Ah, you've made the assumption that there are only three cases of these honor killings by Muslims in North America. Try again.

Now, what is that critique again?

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Fine. Let's say 30. That gives the enormous incidence of 0.000833 %
Same argument.

Pars pro toto.

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Is 30 in North America OK with you?
(It is more than 30, but one is tooo many.) Adding in the honor killings by Muslims in other areas of the world, It is not OK with me.

I have no idea who you think is making a generalization, but suggest you look a bit more closely at the posts in this thread and leave your emotions and name-calling out of it.

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Si Modo,

You still didnt quote a verse from the Quran where it says it is ok, allowed, permitted, encouraged to kill daughters (or any family member) in the name of honour.

Also, show evidence where murderers said "I have killed my daughter because my religion Islam told me to do so and heres the proof".

Also, if Honour Killings were from Islam as you claim, dont you think there would be millions of Honour Killing cases. Can I have the proof please that Muslims are actively out there killing their daughters (due to honour) because their religion told them so?.

I conclude that your insistence that this has something to do with Islam is not out of ignorance (since we explained it over and over) but out of hatred and similar motives.

WS.

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Sure thing, its the USian culture. They go around "honour killing" people they dont like, thinking they actually helping them to join some mystical "free world", in the afterlife.

It was mandated inthe hadith. Here is another stoning to death of a 17 yo kurdish girl because she dared to mix with Muslims. The Muslims stoned her. This was a couple of months ago.

YouTube - unbelievable gore vioelence kurdish Girl Stoned to Death

Why? Ask the person who said it to show that to you.

Nothing to claim; just look at the facts to the crimes in this thread alone. The Muslims follow Islam, albeit perversly. I suppose if I were the one to say their religion asked them to do so, you would be asking the correct person to do that for you. Alas, you will have to ask the person who said Islam told then to stone and/or murder their female family members that question, so, strawman much?

And I conclude your proclivity to call all who disagree with you islamophobes. That is pretty presumptive (or delusional) of you to know who I hate.

Post #107 shows your habit of falsly calling anyone the islamophobe name when you haven't any other point.

Isalm mandates that murder goes against God. We hear this over and over. Yet, there are honor killings, bombs, 9/11, etc. What do you think of those good followers of Islam? Could a house cleaning be in order, or even just the appearance of a house cleaning? If not, Muslims will continue to steadily lose credibility now matter how much they show us that the Koran does not mandate murder. Their actions speak so much more loudly.

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Perhaps. Some people might, some people might not. Yet, it remains a microcosme. The mixture of Religion and Ignorance is the problem though, not Islam per se.

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Your significant figures are incorrect in your percentage calculation.

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yes - and I did say it wasn't really relevant - but if you want to go there - I can't see the Muslim women I know waiting another 600 years or so until they have the same rights as I do.

But again - IT IS NOT ABOUT ISLAM. If it were there would be no honour killings in any other culture, and there would also be honour killings in Indonesia.


I don't know if you've actually been reading my posts imperator, because if you had you couldn't possibly believe I would be excusing 'honour killing' on any grounds - despite the fact that I am a staunch supporter of multiculturalism ('cultural tolerance' to me sounds like putting up with other cultures - which I don't do - I enjoy and learn from other cultures).

speak for yourself. I HAVE been involved in educating people about family violence issues.