Yea, I read about this ( Ontario) a couple of weeks ago....same could be said for all the protestors from NOW, The gay, lesbian, transgender grps outside Ahmadinejads visit to Columbia...nada....

Now is one of those organizations Si Modo I was referring to in another thread that has outlived its usefulness imho....it is now so vitriolic and far from its charter it would be laughable if it weren't so sad. This is the same grp. (gandy) that bashed Bush regards woman that have benefited by the invasion of Afghanistan ( even though there is much work to do) enjoying greater freedoms, they would give Bush zero credit for such as it wasn't his primary purpose and then demanded he do more even though they have nothing to say when something like the issue you posted surfaces.


The media is whipped into ignoring or soft soaping any offenses committed by sects other than well you know...thats the way it appears... if this were a family of another religion or ethnic make up, the rationalizations would never have been made....

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Dad charged in daughter's murder

Sixteen year-old Aqsa Parvez was strangled to death by her father, Muhammed (assisted by her brother, Waqas) in Ontario. She had the audacity to not want to wear the hijab. Here is this young victim, killed by her own family:



Some press outlets in Canada have called this a “domestic dispute”. Although somewhat accurate, it diminishes the nature of the crime, IMO.

FOXNews.com - Slain Teen Girls' Brother Begs for Suspect Father to Turn Himself In - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

Amina Yaser Said, 18, and her younger sister, Sarah Yaser Said, 16, were murdered by their father in Texas because they wore western clothes. Here are the victims of that crime:



Here is a picture of that small, small man who murdered his two daughters:



How's that "honor" working our for you, Yaser Abdel?

At least the brother of these two girls is pleading for his father to turn himself in, so that is one male family member who is not a complete POS.

And, here is what the National Organization of Women has to say about these crimes:


















(nothing) Why is this political organization silent about this? Are conservative women who care about the feminist movement to be ignored and have no representation from this powerful organization? It sure seems that way to me, or NOW’s agenda is not really what they claim it is? “Cultural tolerance” may be more important to NOW.

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Yes. It's totally pathetic that bashing the President is more important than their charter. They have officially become a joke for me at this point. No priorites. And, I can't fathom any way to spin this other than the obvious that they haven't the agenda they claim in their charter.

[Edit] It will be very interesting to see what posters are conveniently silent on this.

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Frontpage Magazine had an excellent peice on this.

FrontPage Magazine

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You read articles by Robert Spencer? A well known islamophobic columnist ... he has nightmares about Islam every night... then wakes up and writes about it. But then again I expect someone like you to get his knowledge from such websites and magazines No wonder your views have always been narrow and rather hateful.

WS.

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Isn't this the same religion founded after 1 mans dream and no actual works?

Why dont you seek knowledge and research on what Islam is about. Here's a link to a brief guide to understanding Islam.

A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam, Muslims, and the Quran

I leave you to it.

WS.

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My two cents:

The islamophobic media would take any opportunity to tarnish the image of Islam, even if the story has nothing to do with Islam. Lets shed some light.

The issue here is called Honour Killings, whic are known to be cultural and have no basis in any religion. But they refer to the girl killed in their articles as " A MUSLIM girl has been killed...."

Few points to raise:

-Does the girl’s religion matter in this horrific story? Did it play a role?
-Would the writers have started the article with “A CHRISTIAN girl…….”, “A JEWISH girl…..” if the girl had a different faith and;
-Wouldnt you agree that such a label would wrongly portray that this incident is somehow connected to the girl’s religion, being Islam. Of course it is wrong to do that unless one can prove that the motive is religious.

It is a crime full stop and the father who killed his daughter should be arrested and the full extent of the law be applied to him. The family's religion has nothing to do with this. Therefore, labelling her or the killer as a Muslim or emphasizing her religion into this story would be unethical and simply shows that the article writer has an agenda or a certain message of hatred to send through this story and similar stories.

Also, honour killings happen mainly within the Asian community, even by Hindus and Sikhs. Does it mean their faith teaches it? No of course not, it is a corrupt cultural practice.

Such articles by islamophobists like Robert Spencer would mislead the reader into thinking, such a practice is done by Muslims to Muslims and that Islam is involved in it somehow, etc

There are many cases, in fact on a daily basis in America or wharever, where a man/woman were murdered due to relationship problems, be it cheating, or domestic violence, or others, how many times did you come across articles referring to victims or murderers as “Christian” for example?

I have never come across something that reads “A Christian man has robbed a bank…..” or a “A Buddhist terrorist has killed…..” etc. Have you??

Finally, a religion that teaches killing of daughters who wear western clothing or have boyfriends, cannot survive. Islam is not only surviving but its growing, ESPECIALLY in America. You think people are stupid to convert to a way of life that teaches murder of innocent people???

Ok heres the million dollar question.

Can ANY of you, readers or contributors to this thread, bring me a quote from the Quran or from the teachings of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) where it says that Honour Killings are permitted or encouraged or allowed.

How can a religion that elevated the status of women allow Honour Killings? Killing an innocent life in Islam is a grave sin. And if the murderer is not judged in this world, he/she will be judged in the hereafter.

WS.

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This is not about cultural tolerance. Most people from these cultures do not accept that fathers have the right to murder daughters. This is not the norm, it should not be presented as 'cultural', or excused in any way.

No community I have worked with would accept this as a norm, or part of their culture.

It is however true that at times, some men may be more prone to violence against women. The so called 'culture of honour' is strong in communities (regardless of race, creed or colour) where men feel disempowered, shamed and beaten. It is also more likely that men who cope poorly with transitions into a new life will feel powerless, and that their lives are out of control.

That said - there is no excuse for crimes of violence against family members. And where there are signals that any abuse (regardless of the type of abuse) is occurring, people have a responsibility to act - before it gets to this.

Regardless of race, religion or ethnic group - families, and communities, need to understand that.

In any case - if a crime is against the law of the land it really doesn't matter what race, religion or whatever the offender belongs to. He's broken the law, and there are no extenuating circumstances in cases like this.

Its very easy to look at Islam and misogyny - however in my experience Islam is no more (nor less) misogynist than any other patriarchal religion. And when one looks at Hinduism it fares far worse than Islam ... and I have seen more open violence against women in a Buddhist society than I ever have in a Muslim society.

If I were a white christian woman living 150 years ago, and I read the Quran, (and that was my only contact with Islam) I would wish that I had been born Muslim - because my rights as a woman would have been far better than my rights under Victorian English Law - where my husband would be justified in beating me if I didn't feel like having sex.

Fortunately for women in western democracies, things have moved on. We now have more rights than women in most other societies ... although interestingly some men are not happy with this.

If people are seriously interested in the welfare of women around the globe - or in their own society - singling out cases of Muslim family violence won't solve the problem.

In my experience this argument is usually presented - not by those who are interested in women's rights, or preventing women from being murdered by family members - but by thosw who wish to bash Muslims.

Yeah, it's amazing how the media never reports on the tidal wave of Bhuddist honor killings sweeping the globe.....

It's extremely naive, IMHO, to just flatly declare - "This isn't Islam" and turn one's back on this.

The truth is that this is Islam - as practiced by a small minority of Muslims.

Matt

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No Matt. The truth is that the religion is used by some to 'justify' the unjustifiable.

There is no tidal wave of Muslim honour killings. In fact - many cases of honour killing you will find are sikh.

I don't have time now - but there have been several well publicised cases in the UK recently.

I suspect that you don't hear about them in the US because the Sikhs (and others) aren't in the public consciousness.

FWIW Matt - what do you think of Buddhist communities where a girl who is 'damaged goods' is beaten to a pulp and then put out on the streets - usually working as a prostitute.

There are many such victims of family honour dying of HIVAIDS in Thailand .... just since you mentioned Buddhism.

Stoning of women is more common in the Muslim culture than the Christian or Jewish culture. And it's wrong.

Stoning in Iran



Although there are some whackos who call themselves Chritians (and Jews), their treatment of women cannot compare to this cave-man metality toward women by some who are Muslim. It would be nice if the Muslims spoke out about it more loudly than others, other than trying to label those who do speak out about it with bigotry. [Edit] To be clear, I am not saying anyone has done this yet in this thread, but it happens too often. [Edit again] It looks like I spoke too soon. It is happening in this thread.

And, it would be nice if NOW actually followed the charter they claim they have.

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OK, here's the dollar-fifty question...................Do anyone know of any other culture where people engage in "honor killings"? ( other than murderous middle eastern culture)

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