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Miscreantgnomie · #31 (**permalink**) 03-28-2008

Anyone know of another source to see this film ?

Alex · #32 (**permalink**) 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by Miscreantgnomie

Anyone know of another source to see this film ?

go here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU

Thanatos · #33 (**permalink**) 03-28-2008

Worst movie ever.

iamwhatiseem · #34 (**permalink**) 03-28-2008

sobering.

Imperator · #35 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Thanatos

Worst movie ever.

why?...

erikvv · #36 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Miscreantgnomie

The queston is are there moderate muslims ?

stirring the pot.

I dont think so since they never go on tv and speak. All we see is Cair etc calling racism

Don't be cynical. There are many secular muslims, in the western world they are probably the majority.

solletica · #37 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

The sad thing is that while the vast majority of Muslims won't be engaging in violence and calls for death in response, the radical, violent minority will be going out of their way to validate Wilders' positions shortly.

Matt

Well, I would think it's a happy thing that the vast majority of Muslims won't be rioting in response.

What's sad is those instances when the vast majority reacts violently and only a small minority shows restraint.

And, sadly, there are clear instances of that here in the US.

An example of such an instance is someone--say me, for example--posting a bumper sticker on my auto parked in Anytown, USA that reads

American troops are terrorists

It would be an entirely true statement (given the dictionary/scholarly definition of terrorism), and like the Dutch film or the previous Dutch cartoon mocking certain segments of Islam, would offend several people and consequently provoke an enormously violent response

(in the case of the bumper sticker, my vehicle would be burned/vandalized in a matter of minutes).

The difference between the bumper sticker and the film is that the bumper sticker would cause the majority of Americans to do violence (i. e. damage my vehicle) whereas, like Matt said, only a minority of Muslims would riot in response to the film.

MattLarson · #38 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008

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Originally Posted by solletica

Well, I would think it's a happy thing that the vast majority of Muslims won't be rioting in response.

What's sad is those instances when the vast majority reacts violently and only a small minority shows restraint.

And if you actually read what I wrote, you'd understand that the part I refer to as a "sad thing" is the probable violent response of the minority.

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Originally Posted by solletica

And, sadly, there are clear instances of that here in the US.

An example of such an instance is someone--say me, for example--posting a bumper sticker on my auto parked in Anytown, USA that reads

American troops are terrorists

Really, this has caused rioting? Kindly link to some new reports, please.

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Originally Posted by solletica

It would be an entirely true statement (given the dictionary/scholarly definition of terrorism), and like the Dutch film or the previous Dutch cartoon mocking certain segments of Islam, would offend several people and consequently provoke an enormously violent response

(in the case of the bumper sticker, my vehicle would be burned/vandalized in a matter of minutes).

The difference between the bumper sticker and the film is that the bumper sticker would cause the majority of Americans to do violence (i. e. damage my vehicle) whereas, like Matt said, only a minority of Muslims would riot in response to the film.

I see - we're not dealing with fact here, but rather your imagination.

Thanks for the invite, but I'll remain in the real world.

Matt

MattLarson · #39 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008

LiveLeak.com has taken down the Dutch MP's film following credible threats of violence and death from fanatics.

LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film over de Koran. (Nederlands)

Matt

Si modo · #40 (**permalink**) 03-30-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

LiveLeak.com has taken down the Dutch MP's film following credible threats of violence and death from fanatics.

LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film over de Koran. (Nederlands)

Matt

I think someone posted that YouTube did as well. More enabling of egregious threats and past behaviors.

ThorHammer · #41 (**permalink**) 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

LiveLeak.com has taken down the Dutch MP's film following credible threats of violence and death from fanatics.

LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film over de Koran. (Nederlands)

Matt

It is back up now.

Euro-Chess · #42 (**permalink**) 04-02-2008

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Originally Posted by solletica

Well, I would think it's a happy thing that the vast majority of Muslims won't be rioting in response.

Well, I suspect that 100% of Hindu's, Christians, and Buddists will not be rioting because of a Dutch movie about the Koran. In other words, there is still room for improvement.

oleg · #43 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008

Really was wondered that such movie had so much noise when my curiosity to watch it took over my laziness. I expected anything but such typical, narrowly decorated amateur jewish propaganda against Islam. Low level, full-scale innovative crisis. Next time, boys, don't plant so many anti-jewish blocks in movie, if you want to pretend it was ultra-righty's one. Remember, half-wits, ultra-righties are white rascists, it's hardly possible that anyone among them could have been touched with islamic anti-semitism to that degree.

Traveler · #44 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008

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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips

Seriously? If you read the Old Testament, God kicks a ton of ass, to say nothing of what he encourages his faithful to do. It's like reading the Godfather.

Off the top of my head from reading the Bible and Sunday school, I remember that God decides to execute a bunch of Egyptian children and rain plagues down upon them. I remember that God decides to drown just about every man woman, child (born and unborn), and animal on the planet because he's feeling a little salty. God allows the torture of a true believer (Job) to settle a gentleman's bet with Satan.

I also remember a lot of verses about what ought to be done to whom. Anyone setting foot on Mt. Sinai is to be stoned to death. I think it's Exodus where God tells Levi, Moses, etc to go slaughter a bunch of people, and then isn't quite satisfied so he unleashes a plague to take care of some more. I'm pretty sure that any adulterers and homosexuals are to be executed on sight, per Leviticus. And, hey, check this out, it doesn't stop there: BibleGateway.com - Passage Lookup: Leviticus 24:16

And, so on.

Now, I'm not attempting to excuse any silliness in the Koran (of which there is plenty). I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't gyp Christians and Jews out of their equal claim to a sadistic, bloodthirsty God.

When i read this i tried to find out some mor about the film but got nowhere, but is it outraged over the Koran and what muslims believe to be their God doing this or muslims doing it in the name of their God?

There's a huge difference between the two....

Non Sequitur · #45 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

When you look at those verses of the Koran, you have to wonder about Islam.

I've not seen similar verses in the Bible, but I'd like to be corrected If I'm wrong and see the comparison.

Of course there are if you take them out of context just like the Koranic verses are. The entire book of Joshua is a good example.

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