The Republicans have gotten us into? Point out a period in our history when we weren't in massive debt.

For awhile before the civil war the debt was pretty small. Also before World War I in the early 1900's it was pretty low.

Uh, pre-1940?



A visual of the Republican influence on debt:



And as a % of GDP:



WW2 was expensive, but once we paid that off, it was the REPUBLICANS who created our debt.

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Did you bother to read those graphs before you posted them?

For one thing to show a straight bar graph of the national debt is to deny that inflation exists. Do you? A debt of a billion dollars in 1900 is a lot then but not so much now. Basically what you linked was a graph that showed increasing debt (which it always has done) and inflation.

Next you showed a graph of spending in 100's of billions. Yes its bad but placed in the context of a multi trillion dollar debt its not as big as the graph would make it appear. Of course it completely ignores outside influences like going to wars and bringing down the soviet union.

The last graph shows absolutely nothing other than a bump during world war 2. If anything the last graph supports my claim.

Wow. Are you deliberately misreading, or are you just reading challenged?

Here's inflation-adjusted dollars (2000 is the standard):



Oh, looky! It's STILL a Republican thing.

The second bar graph I posted was trends by presidents. TRENDS. Do you understand what a trend is?

If you click on the third graph, you get a larger picture, with national debt as a percentage of GDP. Maybe you can read it if it's bigger? Once again, we see it start to increase soon after Regan was elected, after a long trend downwards after the WW2 peak. There's a trend downwards in the Clinton years, and then, big surprise, it jumps right back upwards with Bush.

Now, I'm sure you want to try to spin it, but facts are facts.

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Thanks for the better graph. Its much less skewed than the original and if you notice the trend is still upwards even during the years when clinton is in office other than the last couple of years where it drops off a little.

Im not saying national debt isn't a problem im just saying that it isn't only a republican problem. Just because the increase is slightly less during democratic presidencies doesn't mean they aren't also increasing the debt. Keep in mind their are also outside factors other than just the party that is in office.

It takes time to change the momentum. Clearly, that's what Clinton was trying to do. The trend, at least for the last 40 years, is that Republicans spend and borrow.

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With massive surpluses, we could have adopted a gold standard, invested in infrastructure development that would have created local jobs that cannot be exported, and eliminated welfare, as we know it, within a five year time span.

Why is there any talk of reducing taxes, merely for the sake of reducing taxes, if we are still running massive deficits?

What exactly would be the point of returning to the gold standard?

I have to admit it is more of a form of principle that may no longer be as relevant in our modern global economy.

However, commodity money does have value, in and of itself. It also lasts longer than paper money, and could be viewed as a form of cost reduction in that sense.

Also, consider a hypothetical coin that has some species of precious metal as a core, and a titatinum shell. That commodity money could last a very long time. With that type of standardization, all types of coin accepting machines could be made more useful and cost effective.

How pissed would you if your Clinton, you spend 8 years to try and get fisical respounsibilty on the right track and it strating to work. Yea there is still rocky roads ahead but the concept is there and everyone including the republicans.

He took flak fro his actions initially
Clinton's Budget: Higher Taxes and More Spending

But they were wrong and he was right...

Bush Jr. Took less than 2 years to kill this discipline... Wow! That takes an effort in incompentency... If a trained monkey was elected and did nothing, it would have been a better job... I don't know why the terrorists did 9/11, they could have sat at home and watch this blow the economy from inside... I suppose they wanted to give him a hand...

Since the government is in the hole this year again, sporting a hugh deficit, the government doesnt have any money to send out any refund checks. So...they are simply printing it; a hundred and sixty-five billions dollars worth of printing-press money, literally.

I wonder if its possible that there is anyone anywhere that doesn't know that increasing the deficit by creating more money out of thin air, will only cause further inflation, further devaluation of the currency, and make the recession worse? The devaluation of the currency is the cause of the recession. Printing and issuing more money will only make it worse. I figure they know that. That's why they are doing it. The destruction of our economy is deliberate. Yes, there IS a conspiracy!

Six years ago, you could buy 5 gallons of gasoline with an ounce of silver. Silver was worth about $5 per ounce and gas was about $1 per gallon. Today, you can still buy 5 gallons of gasoline for an ounce of silver. Today, gas is about $3.25 per gallon and silver is about $17 per ounce. So...it isn't that prices are going up in the sense that real costs are going up, but rather that the dollar is being devalued by our government. The problem is the government, not a failure in the free enterprise system. The problem is socialism and the cost of it.

As usual, the government is the problem, not the solution.

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What some fail to realize is how much real cost the lack of social programs has. It's so much easier to say "it's the government's problem" or "it's socialism" than to actually think for one's self.

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REALLY, it was Clinton trying to change that? Then explain to me why he fought the GOP over balancing the budget and restraining spending growth in 1995 (he was on record as saying it would be "dangerous" to try balancing the budget within 8 years; he opposed reductions in capital gains taxes; he proposed significantly HIGHER spending long-term than the Republicans did).

Now, while it is true that Republicans have by-and-large lost their way in the last 7 years with regard to domestic discretionary spending, it is simply ignorant or wilfully dishonest to suggest that democrats would have been any better.

Just look at their presidential candidates. Both for massive tax increases to PARTIALLY cover massive proposed spending increases. I keep hearing BHO talk about all the other things we could have SPENT the money we've spent in Iraq on...funny, I never once heard him list NOT SPENDING IT AT ALL and lowering the deficit as an option.

Other than the military, please identify a single area of spending where the democrats are have not fought for significantly higher spending than even the drunken-sailorlike GOP members of Congress?

Most of our long-term unfunded liabilities are the result of Social Security and Medicare, both of which clearly more foisted on us by the left.

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A good analogy to the tax rebates:

The Titanic is sinking & the federal government is jumping in to give us all swimming lessons.