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Re: Syria says it will sue U.S. for supplying arms to Israel

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yes I most certianly do and that was a simple statement of fact.
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Nay, it won't win any friends in the Islamic fascist world, and those influenced by them - most Muslims (as in TRUE Muslims) don't have a problem with America.
Where is that Islamic fascist world? I haven't seen any tendencies towards real fascism in the Middle East. Have you?



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I can speak for myself, I don't need you to fill in the blanks.
What blanks did I fill in? Your words were pretty clear...

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True Muslims have a problem with violence in general...so they are against both sides - as is any clear thinking individual.
You said that TRUE Muslims do not have a problem with America; do not shift the goal posts.

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The guilt of this decades long struggle goes deep and long on both sides...perhaps it is time to focus on, I don't know - call me crazy - but actually do something other than the constant finger pointing and postering.

You could be the first step.
Since Israel is the aggressor engaging in a belligerent military occupation not to mention expanding their settlements into Palestinian land to this day who should I point the finger at here?
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Since Israel is the aggressor engaging in a belligerent military occupation not to mention expanding their settlements into Palestinian land to this day who should I point the finger at here?
Israel is one of the aggressors, there are at least 4 other party's that are also the aggressors.
As for who should you point the finger at? - Yourself...and all of the others who are unable to believe that only the "other side" is wrong - what "we" do is only a result of what "they" do to us...both sides say the very same thing.

Isreal is dead wrong in about 99% of the way they have conducted themselves here, likewise PAL - Hamas and all the others are also wrong 99% of time.

And guess what Frank? It will continue, as long as each side has it's share of minions ready and willing to point the finger again, and again and again...
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Israel is one of the aggressors, there are at least 4 other party's that are also the aggressors.
Allow me to quote the words of International Court of Justice Ad Hoc Judge Dr. John Dugard:

The Palestinian Territory has been occupied for so long — 40 years — that there is a tendency in certain quarters to overlook this reality and to treat the Occupied Palestinian Territory as an "unoccupied" entity. This leads to the perception of Israel and Palestine as two States poised against each other, with Israel as the victim and Palestine as a neighbouring aggressive, terrorist State. This, of course, is very far from the truth. The Palestinian Territory, including the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, remains occupied territory, occupied by Israel. Insofar as there is a "victim" party, it is Palestine as inevitably an occupied party has such a status vis-à-vis the occupier.

A/62/275 of 17 August 2007


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As for who should you point the finger at? - Yourself...and all of the others who are unable to believe that only the "other side" is wrong - what "we" do is only a result of what "they" do to us...both sides say the very same thing.
Once again; I refer to the words of of International Court of Justice Ad Hoc Judge Dr. John Dugard:

Terrorism is a scourge, a serious violation of human rights and international humanitarian law. No attempt is made in the reports to minimize the pain and suffering it causes to victims, their families and the broader community. Palestinians are guilty of terrorizing innocent Israeli civilians by means of suicide bombs and Qassam rockets. Likewise the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) are guilty of terrorizing innocent Palestinian civilians by military incursions, targeted killings and sonic booms that fail to distinguish between military targets and civilians. All these acts must be condemned and have been condemned.3 Common sense, however, dictates that a distinction must be drawn between acts of mindless terror, such as acts committed by Al Qaeda, and acts committed in the course of a war of national liberation against colonialism, apartheid or military occupation. While such acts cannot be justified, they must be understood as being a painful but inevitable consequence of colonialism, apartheid or occupation. History is replete with examples of military occupation that have been resisted by violence - acts of terror. The German occupation was resisted by many European countries in the Second World War; the South West Africa People's Organization (SWAPO) resisted South Africa's occupation of Namibia; and Jewish groups resisted British occupation of Palestine - inter alia, by the blowing up of the King David Hotel in 1946 with heavy loss of life, by a group masterminded by Menachem Begin, who later became Prime Minister of Israel. Acts of terror against military occupation must be seen in historical context. This is why every effort should be made to bring the occupation to a speedy end. Until this is done peace cannot be expected, and violence will continue. In other situations, for example Namibia, peace has been achieved by the ending of occupation, without setting the end of resistance as a precondition. Israel cannot expect perfect peace and the end of violence as a precondition for the ending of the occupation.

A/HRC/7/17 of 21 January 2008

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And guess what Frank? It will continue, as long as each side has it's share of minions ready and willing to point the finger again, and again and again...
It will continue as long as Israel occupies, strangles, displaces and dominates it's Palestinian victims.
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Re: Syria says it will sue U.S. for supplying arms to Israel

Stay on topic folks, discuss the issue and not each other.
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Re: Syria says it will sue U.S. for supplying arms to Israel

I'm trying, but you won't answer my question.

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I'm trying, but you won't answer my question.

I have been a little busy trying to clean up this thread.
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Re: Syria says it will sue U.S. for supplying arms to Israel

What? Doing your job?

What fun is that?

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nice try ......
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nice try ......
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I never said "was" frank....you're still in the barrel...
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Syria is a terrorist nation.....
Hmm, a terrorist nation thats taken in over a million of america's forgotten Iraqi refugees. Or did you forget about that?
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Hmm, a terrorist nation thats taken in over a million of america's forgotten Iraqi refugees. Or did you forget about that?
I have been to Iraq.....you?

Funny thing is, us troops are getting sick and fucking tried of scumbags ........Its a damn shame that someone like myself would fight to protect rights of an American who bad mouth the very country that grants those rights.

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I have been to Iraq.....you?

Funny thing is, us troops are getting sick and fucking tried of scumbags
I am getting sick and tired of you troops fighting wars of aggression.

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........Its a damn shame that someone like myself would fight to protect rights of an American who bad mouth the very country that grants those rights.
You are not fighting for the rights of Americans by attacking Iraq; you are fighting an imperialist Zionist war to secure Israel's position as the regional superpower.
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