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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Although not new news, Bill and Hillary are continuing to refuse to release Hillary's White House papers.

PolitiByte - Bill Clinton refuses to release Hillary's "White House Papers"

Hillary, the candidate with 35 years of experience who refuses to release the documents pertaining to 8 of those years.

"Vote for me because I have experience yet I am not willing to show you that experience."

This is where the term "Clintonesque" comes from.
It took 10 years of law suits and refused court orders to get her college records (Not that you can tell from M.S.N.B.C.) : How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis - Hillary Clinton News - MSNBC.com
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I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
Nice try.
Only 14 pages of top secrete documents concerning Iran Contra are not available and there not sealed, there *cough* top secrete…
Hillary illegally sealed 8 million pages from the freedom of information act.
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Hillary is claiming that she is the experienced candidate. She is basing her campaign on it. Most of her experience consists of being first lady.

The papers may not be pertinent. They might be. But the Clintons are going to create another mess for themselves unless they wake up. There is no need for this. It could be very minor.
Hey, I’d vote for Barbra Bush…
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
Reagan isnt running for President?
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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How is this different to George W Bush transferring his gubernatorial papers to his dad's Library so they can't be released?
Bush isnt running for President?
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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How is this different to George W Bush transferring his gubernatorial papers to his dad's Library so they can't be released?
Well for a start he was governor of a state, it wasn't records in relation to him in the WH when say he was the son of the President or VP.

But the principle is the same and Hillary doing this helps governors in their bids to become President imo, because they can now all use this as precedent and justify sealing their information as executors.

Senators on the other hand will continue to have a problem and their records can be scrutinised to the finest of details.
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Nice try.
Only 14 pages of top secrete documents concerning Iran Contra are not available and there not sealed, there *cough* top secrete…
Hillary illegally sealed 8 million pages from the freedom of information act.
Read all about it here
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Reagan isnt running for President?
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"I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?"

I only mentioned reagan because his are the first papers effected by the gutting of foia presidential records act. All records since are affected by that w's executive order
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See i don't dispute Hillary has a right to keep this to herself because she is under no executive obligation to release anything, not to mention she should be able to claim executive privellage seeing as a wife and husand can be seen as one entity and Bill should be able to keep his information to himself.

You however are shocking; you disagree with Bush changing executive statutes so you think that Hillary taking advantage of that or doing something similar without even being in executive power is "no different" thus okay because Bush shouldn't have been allowed to do it either? So you think that if one side does something you don't agree with and find bad that the other side should be able to the same bad thing and thus be able to use the precedent of the first person doing it as a defense? You must believe in vigelante crime as a means to get justice or something. The hypocrasy is absolutely stunning.
All I said is
"I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?"

Does anything you've written address that?
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Really?? is this a rhetorical question? ..you are sharp as a tack when it comes to telcos , article 2, fisa, senate house busting etc.......anyway, because she is making remarks and alluding to experience she gained in the WH as presumptive proof she is capable of running the place on her own…........and, we’d like to know exactly what she is referring too...

and I agree with LBS, they have decided to take the bullet now, re: "the records being held up for processing"...as far better than the beating she would take if the records did appear.
So if I understand you, hillary has no right to claim she has more experience in the white house and senate than obama unless she releases every detail of everything she did there? Great idea. When it becomes the rule for all candidates I will support it.
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Not interested what the docs would reveal? I guess it is not our business.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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So if I understand you, hillary has no right to claim she has more experience in the white house and senate than obama unless she releases every detail of everything she did there? Great idea. When it becomes the rule for all candidates I will support it.
and what candidates Tim, are running on " experiance in the goverment" but using a shield to prevent having to provide evidence of such....there’s your presumptive “rule”....don’t claim it if you cannot at the very least back it up …

and lets not get lost in an argument for arguments sake okay?

I don't need every detail, and am not looking for dirt...she has claimed she has influenced and help make policy...well show me.....I don't care about her handling bimbo eruptions or not ....what did she do, what policy can she show that she had direct influence upon and was successful etc....that’s all...I would think after all her referencing of such, (generalities) she would be more than willing to provide it....its interesting that she in fact has not gone into specifics....why? I can only speculate but -perhaps when and if the papers are displayed they my not back her up……ipso facto she really didn't influence or help make policy there fore her claim to such is hooey...sorry but this is politics…and all she has to do is call Bill and tell him to call over there, and tell them, let it out….let it go and send it to the press or whomever is requesting such through the foia...etc……
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and what candidates Tim, are running on " experiance in the goverment" but using a shield to prevent having to provide evidence of such....there’s your presumptive “rule”....don’t claim it if you cannot at the very least back it up …

and lets not get lost in an argument for arguments sake okay?

I don't need every detail, and am not looking for dirt...she has claimed she has influenced and help make policy...well show me.....I don't care about her handling bimbo eruptions or not ....what did she do, what policy can she show that she had direct influence upon and was successful etc....that’s all...I would think after all her referencing of such, (generalities) she would be more than willing to provide it....its interesting that she in fact has not gone into specifics....why? I can only speculate but -perhaps when and if the papers are displayed they my not back her up……ipso facto she really didn't influence or help make policy there fore her claim to such is hooey...sorry but this is politics…and all she has to do is call Bill and tell him to call over there, and tell them, let it out….let it go and send it to the press or whomever is requesting such through the foia...etc……
I believe every candidate who has ever served in government has availed themselves of whatever regulations allowed them to keep secret whatever they could. I'm only asking why hillary should be expected to act any differently.

I'll say it again. I would prefer that every candidate be required to release all kinds of information including personal finances and tax info. But given the current practice I don't see why anyone would expect hillary to perform to a higher standard than every other candidate.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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"I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?"

I only mentioned reagan because his are the first papers effected by the gutting of foia presidential records act. All records since are affected by that w's executive order
And what I said was right. Reagan is not running for President, so his paper dont matter. Hillary is, so hers does, as long as they arent a matter of national security. What reason does she have to not release them?
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And what I said was right. Reagan is not running for President, so his paper dont matter. Hillary is, so hers does, as long as they arent a matter of national security. What reason does she have to not release them?
If I had ever claimed reagan's records mattered to hillary's campaign you would have a point. Since I only mentioned him because all pres records since his (including clinton's obviously) are affected by w's executive order I don't think you do.
Once again, why should Clinton's records be treated any differently than any other president's papers? Or any other politician's papers who wasnt' in the white house? When all politicians are forced to disclose details of their time in office I will applaud. As it is I want to know "what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?"
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