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Old 02-20-2008
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Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

Although not new news, Bill and Hillary are continuing to refuse to release Hillary's White House papers.

PolitiByte - Bill Clinton refuses to release Hillary's "White House Papers"

Hillary, the candidate with 35 years of experience who refuses to release the documents pertaining to 8 of those years.

"Vote for me because I have experience yet I am not willing to show you that experience."

This is where the term "Clintonesque" comes from.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Although not new news, Bill and Hillary are continuing to refuse to release Hillary's White House papers.

PolitiByte - Bill Clinton refuses to release Hillary's "White House Papers"

Hillary, the candidate with 35 years of experience who refuses to release the documents pertaining to 8 of those years.

"Vote for me because I have experience yet I am not willing to show you that experience."

This is where the term "Clintonesque" comes from.
Yes, indeed.

It isn't news now - but it certainly will be. Are they kidding? Some folks never learn...
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Although not new news, Bill and Hillary are continuing to refuse to release Hillary's White House papers.

PolitiByte - Bill Clinton refuses to release Hillary's "White House Papers"

Hillary, the candidate with 35 years of experience who refuses to release the documents pertaining to 8 of those years.

"Vote for me because I have experience yet I am not willing to show you that experience."

This is where the term "Clintonesque" comes from.
Blocking their release is completely logical to me. Why would you release pages and pages of material to which you are already privy?

The volumes of information could only be used as negative fodder so I understand why he would try to prevent their release.

The Clintons stand to gain nothing from releasing them and the downside is tremendous.

They're better off taking a beating for not releasing them than releasing them and letting people pour over the details to draw whatever conclusions they see fit.

This is not a defense of the Clinton's... only a defense of their rationale.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
Really?? is this a rhetorical question? ..you are sharp as a tack when it comes to telcos , article 2, fisa, senate house busting etc.......anyway, because she is making remarks and alluding to experience she gained in the WH as presumptive proof she is capable of running the place on her own…........and, we’d like to know exactly what she is referring too...

and I agree with LBS, they have decided to take the bullet now, re: "the records being held up for processing"...as far better than the beating she would take if the records did appear.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
Hillary is claiming that she is the experienced candidate. She is basing her campaign on it. Most of her experience consists of being first lady.

The papers may not be pertinent. They might be. But the Clintons are going to create another mess for themselves unless they wake up. There is no need for this. It could be very minor.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

Given the results in the primaries, isn't this all moot?
You might as well come up with something on Mike Gravel or Dennis Kucinich, as Hillary will soon join their ranks as also-rans.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

Let me see if I understand. Hillary claims an experience advantage because she's been in the senate longer and because she had some involvement with policy in the white house. But you're saying she's not allowed to claim that experience unless she produces every piece of paper related to her time there? I suppose if we require every candidate to release every piece of paper related to every governmental experience they've ever had that would be a good thing. But I still don't see how it is that bill clinton's presidential papers are needed but nobody else's papers are required?
Hillary is not my choice anyway so I don't really care that much but I just don't see any point in demanding these papers. Unless we require similar disclosure by everyone which, like I said, would be fine by me. While we're on the subject of disclosure, I think forcing all the candidates to release all their fiancial and tax records would be a good thing too.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Blocking their release is completely logical to me. Why would you release pages and pages of material to which you are already privy?

The volumes of information could only be used as negative fodder so I understand why he would try to prevent their release.

The Clintons stand to gain nothing from releasing them and the downside is tremendous.

They're better off taking a beating for not releasing them than releasing them and letting people pour over the details to draw whatever conclusions they see fit.

This is not a defense of the Clinton's... only a defense of their rationale.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Given the results in the primaries, isn't this all moot?
You might as well come up with something on Mike Gravel or Dennis Kucinich, as Hillary will soon join their ranks as also-rans.
Yup i was just gonna say, what does it matter other thanthe principle of wanting to screw Hillary even more?

I'm glad if it stays locked up, it sets a bad precedent of folks who aren't President releasing personal information.

Also Bill keeps some of his stuff locked up and in some of it, it shows him signing laws and executive statutes Dems would be livid with.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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I guess I'm missing something. I mean Reagan's papers are still secret thanks to w gutting the foia presidential paper act. So why would hillary's papers be made public already? Don't get me wrong I think all papers need to be released as soon as possible. I just don't get what it is that makes Hillary's different from everyone elses?
See i don't dispute Hillary has a right to keep this to herself because she is under no executive obligation to release anything, not to mention she should be able to claim executive privellage seeing as a wife and husand can be seen as one entity and Bill should be able to keep his information to himself.

You however are shocking; you disagree with Bush changing executive statutes so you think that Hillary taking advantage of that or doing something similar without even being in executive power is "no different" thus okay because Bush shouldn't have been allowed to do it either? So you think that if one side does something you don't agree with and find bad that the other side should be able to the same bad thing and thus be able to use the precedent of the first person doing it as a defense? You must believe in vigelante crime as a means to get justice or something. The hypocrasy is absolutely stunning.
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...the principle of wanting to screw Hillary even more......
OK, she's not that bad looking for a woman of her age, but my tastes run a little different than yours..............
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

I knew somebody would make the joke, and i wanted it to be you as well!

Now we can say that you too, Goober, think Hillary is not attractive (though you do contradict yourself a little in the post).

But its good that we can joke about it, now that her candidacy is in the tank.
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I knew somebody would make the joke, and i wanted it to be you as well!

Now we can say that you too, Goober, think Hillary is not attractive (though you do contradict yourself a little in the post).

But its good that we can joke about it, now that her candidacy is in the tank.
It is far from over....the Clinton's are pure evil. Obama will not have enough delegates to win the thing straight up, so their is wiggle room going into the convention. Mark my words, this is going to get very very UGLY. Obama hasn't won anything yet.
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Re: Bill continues to stall on releasing Hillary's White House papers

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Although not new news, Bill and Hillary are continuing to refuse to release Hillary's White House papers.

PolitiByte - Bill Clinton refuses to release Hillary's "White House Papers"

Hillary, the candidate with 35 years of experience who refuses to release the documents pertaining to 8 of those years.

"Vote for me because I have experience yet I am not willing to show you that experience."

This is where the term "Clintonesque" comes from.
How is this different to George W Bush transferring his gubernatorial papers to his dad's Library so they can't be released?
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