BTW Bin Laden HIMSELF has denied any support from US sources while in Afghanistan. The Afghan Arabs did not need, nor desire, US support, and vice versa. Please show me where OBL claims to have rec'd US support. You won't find it because he claims otherwise.

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Don't startle him, Joe - it's almost full!

yes lets do. 2 rules no- selectivity and no exclusion.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

define "peace"..

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

As far as Al Quaeda and Saddam having no links, I present :

Case Closed

and:

American Thinker: More Evidence of Saddam-al Qaeda Ties

Plus:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/20124.pdf

So, clap your hands all you want, and say there is no DIRECT connection between Saddam and Al-Quaeda and you know this because Saddam and Bin Laden never met, but you are living in Never-Never Land. It's time to grow up.

"Peace" is something that can be disturbed by starting wars of aggression against countries such as Iraq.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

uh huh...got it....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

In the name of Allah! you believe everything OBL tells you?

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Actually it only takes common sense to understand that you do not have to produce documents in order to establish and maintain direct operational links.

It is also common sense that just because you haven't found a document, it does not necessarily mean that the document does not or has never existed.

One thing we do know is that UBL cited the war in Iraq as being one of his motivating factor for declaring war against the USA.

Whether bin Laden actually took orders from Saddam Hussein or the Iraqi government is unkiown

But of course the US never accused Hussein of giving orders to Al Qaeda in the first place.

Therefore the article in the topic post is nothing but a strawman.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Don't need a link. But if you must try googling Saddam's video talking about the subject. I saw it when it was on the news. You must have forgotten about it.

Remember the $25,000 he was paying suicide bomber's families who blew themselves up in Israel? No. Probably not. Must have slipped your mind.


No, you've bought the media's garbage hook-line-and sinker.

It's amazing how you folks think that everything that happens in the world is on the news. For your information sometimes you have to go looking for it.........that is if you're willing to try and keep an open mind. The MSM is good at only telling part of the story giving us plenty of false impressions of the facts. It's up to you to find out the rest.

When it comes to terrorism 9/11 wasn't the only attack on America.

Did you forget about the American Embassy takeover by Iranian "Students" during the Carter Administration?

Did you also forget about the bombing of the Marine Embassy in Beirut in 83'?

How about the attacks on UN and American forces in Somalia in 93'?

Guess who was the culprit?

IRAN


Is Al Qaeda the only threat to us?

No.

You're problem is you think going after anyone other then Osama Bin Laden is a perversion of the war effort. You're too sheltered from the truth and much to selective on what you'll believe to know the real deal Neal. Only sources officially approved for you by Liberals are acceptable sources of information. That's why you've never heard of some of this and why you're asking for links when you should already know this.

And to top it off somebody like you who can't tell the difference between a OP Order and a FRAGO thinks they know how to fight a war better then the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

McClatchy, back in 2003, when they were Knight Ridder, they had the story that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMDs before the invasion, they got it from their Pentagon sources.

Good news outlet, if you want the truth.

So the only reason left was that Bush needed to be "The War President" for the 2004 elections.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Richy - this shows that you don't have any interest on international politics. And you don't read newspapers, watch TV or read official documents or research papers. There are thousands of reliable pieces of information about the history of Osama bin Laden, an US made millionaire and fighter who established Al Qaeda by US billions in 1980s. He also closely collaborated with Bush even when he already was the president. They had together an oil project in Bahrain - which they still may have. If you are unable to find such information, I can provide official links - but try first yourself.

Bush wanted to get re-elected as a tough American cowboy - everybody likes such killers in USA. And he also wanted to earn few trillion dollars to his oil and military industry. Also his friends - the Hawks wanted money and also a firm grip to natural resources of the world. Good reasons, indeed.

So Cyber News Service obtained documents that showed Iraq had links to Al Quaida and in the same package documents that showed Iraq possessed WMDs in 2000.

Wow, I'm guessing the documents are fake, since "in perfect hindsight" we know that Iraq didn't have WMDs in 2000, the Al Qaida documents in the same package as the fake WMD documents were probably fake.

Especially in light of the official review of 600,000 documents from the regime finding nothing.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

lord knows this thread hasnt been beaten into the ground

Please, provide OFFICIAL links, to all of your claims, not some weirdo nutcase site, but OFFICIAL US government documentation. Not news source speculation, not wilsd claims by people peddling books... official dot gov sites only, for ALL of the claims you made.

You said it, you provide it.

If the purpose of the surge was to organize, pay, and arm sunni militias, then I'd say its a smashing success. Or if its purpose was to ensure total Shiite control of baghdad and thier domination of the central government, then again, its surely a success. Or if its purpose was to give militia groups of all stripes time to plan and arm themselves for the big brouhaha, then success it is.

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Seneca