Funny how you all always ignore the fact that until we invaded Iraq they were NOT there. They are there because of G. DUHbya Bush's bone-headed decision to invade & occupy the place.

Bull. They are alive & well in Afghanistan & Pakistan. They will do as they have always done & just wait us out. They know the US will never maintain a decades long occupation & they have all the time in the world to let their hatred & resentment of Bush's idiocy fester & build so that they really will come after us with a vengance after we leave & they infiltrate & take over the government we leave behind.

And BTW.... where's Bin Laden, anyway?

Wow. You just eat up Bush's BS hook, line & sinker, eh? Saddam wasn't a "factor" before we invaded. His military was decimated & we had our foot on his neck. All we had to do was keep it there. But the idiot who conservative America shoved down our throats with their vote wasn't satisfied with that. He wanted to look like a swaggering big-shot "war president" who stomped into Iraq, kicked some ass & turned the place into a little America with 7-Elevens & McDonalds on every corner.

Nowhere near the extent to which Bush's actions have driven up oil prices. Israel is not an oil producing nation, & Hamas & Hezbollah activities take place mainly in Israel against Israelis. The only time oil prices start to become affected is if Israel threatens a counterstrike that carries the possibility of starting an all out war as recently happened. You can thank DUHbya for $3 a gallon (& higher now) gas.

What actually caused the collapse of the Soviet Union was that 1.) they spent so many years spending so much of their budget on the military, 2.) they have to purchase their wheat & grain from the west because they have such a short growing season due to their northern location, & 3.) their over bloated bureaucracy was falling apart from corruption.

And here Bush looked into his soul. Damn. Guess he was wrong. Of course, I'm sure sure Bush's belligerent bullying attitude toward them didn't help much either.

You've officially devolved into paranoid ranting now. The Russians are not going to start WWIII. They aren't the lunatics you so breathlessly try to make them out to be.

That crap is so old it's got stuff growing on it. Liberal media my ass. They gave Bush the longest honeymoon in history during his entire first term. And as I recall, when we had a Democrat president (back in the good ol days) it was the Republicans who screamed & cried like spoiled little infants everytime Clinton blinked his eyes the wrong way.

So all that crap needs to be flushed down to where it belongs.

Flush it along with the bogus Lib talking points you just parroted.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAA, BUSH SUCKS, BUSH SUCKS, IT'S ALL HIS FAULT. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

It would help if you had some facts to go along with that shit-sandwich you've been eating.

No media bias.

Dream on buddy.

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See, I don't believe that's true.
I think Al Qaeda in Iraq is a very small part of the problem there, how many members does AQI have? They had a couple of dozen in 2003, I have seen estimates now of as high as 12000. If a group opposing 150000 US military has grown from a couple of dozen to 12000 in 5 years, then it's them that are kicking ass, if they aren't that big, and there's hundreds of thousands of Iraqis fighting with us, then why can't we deal with a couple of thousand guys?

And I don't think that the IEDs are being imported from Iran, why would you smuggle a bomb into a country that had unguarded ammo dumps for months, do you think the insurgency has used up everything they stole ?
Plus the Iraqi military is thoroughly infiltrated with insurgents, so they have access to all the weapons we are providing our Iraqi Allies.

So why smuggle something and risk an international incident, why would Iran send explosives to Iraq, it would be like shipping oranges to Florida.

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The sooner you learn to accept the truth of that the better off you'll be.

He does and it is .. now wipe your mouth and get back under your bridge!

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Well your free to have your view, but for me it's always hard to understand, why some Americans wet their pants so easily and worry about lousy 3rd world enemies all the time.
Damn it, don't you have any faith in the abilities of your fucking expanisve military and secret services to scare the living hell out of those lousy state opponents ????

Well we had our fair share of terrorism in the 70's/80's and lately some problems (planed bombings) with homegrown Islamists.
Anyway I personaly hope, that if we were ever to suffer a major attack, that we Germans stay calm and show the same high spirit as during WWII with it's daily bomb terror on our towns.
Unhappily the chances are not that high, as of course useless politicans and some parts of the media will probably use such an attack for their porpurses:-(
Maybe there should be some sort of "Anti-Panic-Law", making it punishable to exploid the victims of terror for personal gains ( money or votes).

Wow you are such a brilliant-experienced terror expert!!!!!!
You served in a failed UN-peace-keeping mission, saw the effects of a prolonged civil war and saw damage in Kuwait. For me it's hard to understand, what any of those missions had to do with fighting terrorism????
Or do you consider every military operation in a Muslim country as anti-terrorism- mission???

I hear this all the time, but is there any proof for it???? Sure there are some bombs used by Al Qaeda that maybe were produced in Iran, but so are weapons used by them from Germany, USA and Russia. Does that proof that German, Russian or American companies support Al Qeada?? The same goes for Iran, is there any proof that the Mullahs regime ordered those arms to get into the hands of Al Qeada??? Hell they are encirceld by the USA, you have the most expansive secret service agencies and still no proof?????



This fact is not at all overseen, for me it's just the most disgusting and moral bankrupt argueement made for the war!!!!
Invading another country to establish a playground/arena to fight Al Qeada. It's like sending a pervert-rapists to the neighbours kids, so that yours are safe.

Iran doesn't have to take over Iraq, enough of Iraqs current politicans, members of parlaiment have spent years in Iran or even have dual Iraqi-iranian citzenship. Something that's very strange and hard to believe for me.

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Russia is trying to cause the US to go into a recession if not a depression..... QUOTE]

Wow that's reallly rusty cold war behaviour. Not Russia is pushing the USA into recession, it's mainly your own fault. Finger pointing is just kindergarden-mentality.

We've been defusing hundreds of Iranian made IEDs. We have the evidence, end of discussion. Not all of the IEDs are Iranian made. Many of them are made with old shells from Saddams bunkers. Bunkers that litter the country. But many of the IEDs that are most effective and cause the heaviest casualties were made in Iran and shipped over the Iraq border.

Why smuggle and be at risk?

Just look at the violent reaction Bush got when they found out that his generals were told to plan for a possible attack on Iran. Iran has nothing to worry about as long as we have Democrats, Liberals, and their media friends to protect them.

Iran's President has an adoring media here in the USA. CNN loves his ass. Every time I tune in they're always doing stories about how wonderful Iran's people are. The media has taken sides against Bush and decided that they like our enemies better. These people are inciting sedition and instead of locking them up we allow them to sell their garbage to the American public unmolested. World War III | Democrats.com

A Kuwaiti Intelligence officer once told me that my country's greatest weakness was our freedoms and our Liberals.

Yourish.com » Iranians supplying IEDs to Iraq
ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?
U.S.: Evidence of Iran subversion in Iraq - Iran - MSNBC.com
How the Military Can Stop an Iran Attack
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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

???????????????
Just because Iran's President isn't called motherfucker by what you'd call lieberal media doesn't mean they love him. Don't get the impression that there is any favour for this guy in the USA. Hell he even gets bashed for things he never said aka killing all Jews and bullshit like this.
Anyway don't get me wrong, I dislike the guy aswell and he's an poor performing politicans.

Anyway, whats wrong with making reports about Iran and the Iranian people?????
I know a lot of Iranians and in general they tend to be wonderful people, so really can't see anything wrong showing that on TV.

Or do you want that your media to portray Iranians as child-eating, women beating bastards who are evil and even worse Muslims, just because their stupid president has problems with your beloved George-boy?????

You have some good points to offer and it gives one and opportunity to look at things from a different viewpoint, but I think you are over-simplifying the stituation.

We usually don't start worrying about what our military can do until a Democrat becomes Commander In Chief. Then we have plenty to worry about. 9/11 proved that a strong military cannot protect you from being attacked. Israel knows this only too well. We aren't "Wetting our pants" and I resent that analogy. We know that the chance of being killed is like winning the lottery. But given time our streets, our malls, and our schools could become as dangerous as the streets of Televiv.

Why is it some people feel that holding a gun makes you bullet-proof? Pres. Clinton's former Secretary of Defense seemed to think so. The ability to inflict unimaginable destruction does not make you invulnerable. Anyone who has been on the front lines knows this.

I love it when you criticize me about my experience. However all of it had something to do with the UN mission we supported. Democrats love the UN but for some reason they can't grab their ass with both hands free. Enough said.

And we didn't invade Iraq just so we could kill Al Qaeda but that's what ended up happening. That wasn't the original intent. Often times in wars there are unintended consequences to actions. That's the risk you take when you go to war.

Fact is you hate us for your own reasons. All we're trying to do is stay alive. We can't sit in our country and be protected by our oceans any more. We can't count on folks like you to stop this from happening and keep Islamic aggression from growing and sweeping away Democracy everywhere. You can't be bothered with doing something like that.

You say it's just a few criminals doing all of this. The absence of condemnation from other Muslims is proof it isn't isolated to just a few thugs.

It is just your opinion where it comes to Russia. But we know what's going on. Venezuela, Russia, China, several Middle Eastern countries, petroleum speculators, all of them are driving up the price. The dollar is sinking and the price is going up. I think you would cheer if the American economy collapsed.

I can't see how arguing with you any further can accomplish anything. You just can't put yourself in anyone else's shoes. You only want to think of your interests. Everyone else can go to hell. We need to take that attitude as well. It would be much cheaper. It would save our economy but then we'd most likely pay a price down the road because we can't count on closed-minded countries like yours to take up the slack. But who cares. All we get for our troubles is pretty much what you've been saying to me the last few days. So fuck it.

You know, I loved the time I spent in your country. I tried to be a good guest. Some of my buddies wanted to act like jerks but I always try to place myself in someone else's shoes and know the normal resentment any country would have towards an occupying army. I still feel that way.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Whatever??????????????????



I don't think it's a good idea to kiss the ass of the people that are making the bombs that are killing your kids.

Sorry, but that's just the way I feel.

I know what CNN is up to from personal front-line battlefield experience. Your excuses and rationalizations won't change what I think about them.

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Dito. It's no harm to read your ideas. Different, from time to time confusing, but for sure a good view at one part of American culture/politics

I wouldn't say that I "hate" you, not at all.
I just critise some parts of US-politics and hope that one day the USA will be again like before world war 1, because I kinda liked/love that humble country, which was just beginning to dream about being a superduper power. Good ole days.

Well so you don't distinguish between the people and their leadership decissions.
That's not really fair, especially towards people who have to live under a dictatorship.