Haha, in the face of defeat, totally evaded the entire discussion and just putting words into your opponents mouth.
Neocon tactics haven't much changed during the six years I am on this board.

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Quite true. He seems to have a handle on it better than they do. Whats more funny is everyone all of sudden beleives the reports the Pentagon puts out.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

What's funny is that people don't understand that when a government lies to promote the leader's agenda, that's called propaganda, but when the government comes out with a report that is detrimental to the leaders position, the report has much more credibility, because there is no political motivation to make the leader look bad.
Unless you believe that partisan democrats control the Pentagon, while that may very well be the case this time next year, right now the Pentagon is in the hands of partisan republicans, which means this report is completely beyond reproach.

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Everyone beware! The brown men with funny names are coming to take away your democracy!!

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What record. Do you mean WMDs?

That's some record. One time, even if your assumptions were totally true, which they're not, is not a record. It is one occurence. Truth is the United States has a history of being more honest then other countries when it comes to international incidents. We have a press willing to expose our short-comings to the world oh so willingly.

Two quagmires. Now it's two quagmires. Seems you Libs have switched tactics. Now Afghanistan is a goat-fuck to you. Before the surge is was just Iraq. Now it's both. Iraq is going so well now that you can't deny it anymore and can't face the fact that we are kicking ass and taking names. I remember this time last year you'all were calling for us to leave Iraq and start fighting in Afghanistan. What happened to that? We gotta find Bin Laden don't we? After all he's still hiding in some cave there right now, right? I knew eventually you'd end up protesting Afghanistan.

You people are so predictable.

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Mudwhistle lives a very parinoid life, everyone is out to get him

The Afghans defeated the British Empire and the Soviet Union, do you really think the US is going to succeed where they failed (especially considering the quality of US leadership)

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Oh it's not a dictatorship. According to CNN their President is a much better leader then ours. He's good to his people. I don't know how many times I've seen videos of him screaming "Death To America" and they respond with a full-throated scream "Death To America, Death To Israel". It sure looked like they agreed with him whole-heartedly.

I'm sure the leadership isn't up all night alone making IEDs to ship to Iraq and I'm sure they personally aren't training Iraqis to kill our kids. No, they have plenty of volunteers willing to do it for them. They're nice friendly people with smiles on their happy faces. They would never mean us any harm.

As with every despotic regime there are always plenty who cooperate willingly.

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What lies in particular are you speaking of?

Oh, in case you don't know Democrats are in charge of oversight and the House Armed Services. Republicans are on the sidelines now. Democrats control the purse-strings and decide what programs get funded. The Pentagon can't do a thing without money. That's why the Dems keep threatening to cut off money for bullets, armor, tanks, supplies, in effect cut off funding the war. But for some strange reason they always back down and give the military every thing it wants.

You've really got a warped view of reality. Look up who is chairing the committees that conduct oversight over the DOD and who is on those committees. You will be very surprised. Liberals are running this country now. No wonder everything is going to hell in a hand-basket.

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Maybe we should make sure Russia and China are the big dogs then everyone will leave us the hell alone.

Honestly, there are so many things that I liked about Germany that I wish we were doing here in the US. If I spoke German better I would consider moving back.

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No, it seems like everything from Iraq is a lie to make the US look good.

Like when they announced they had killed like 100 terrorist leaders gathered for a huge terrorist meeting, and the people in the village said "No, you just bombed a wedding reception and killed like 100 people, and the US Military said "NO, we found proof positive these were high level terrorists, envelopes full of cash, passports from all over this could only have been a terrorist summit".

Then someone found a videotape in the rubble, of a wedding, with all the same bodies in the morgue, dressed the same way, dancing at a wedding, and the guy the US had positively identified as a high level terrorist ring leader, was like the clarinet player in the band.

And when the Abu Ghraib story broke, the military said there's no mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq, everyone gets treated with the utmost respect, especially at Abu Ghraib, which is a model facility.
Until the pictures got out.

And in Fallujah, early in the occupation, the US claimed they had killed 18 terrorists who attacked a US armored column and the people said no, that was a peaceful demonstration, people had brought their children with them to march and carry signs and demonstrate to express their opinion with their new freedoms and the US just opened up on the marchers with .50 caliber machine guns.
Uh, Uh, says the military, there were terrorists firing at the soldiers, and they just returned fire.

Then someone went to the morgue and 9 of the bodies were children, 8 to 10 year old children.

And when the Marines went on a rampage and massacred 27 civilians at Haditha, they said that those people were killed by an IED, except the people were all killed with gunshot wounds to the head, even the baby still in it's mothers arms.

So yeah, I kinda take information from a source that has proven to be unreliable as unreliable.

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

As are "you people". We get a couple of months where the death toll in Iraq is lower than in the past & immediately you start running around yelping "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!".

I guess when the surge ends & we start pulling some of the troops back out & the violence begins to escalate again, you'll start screaming about how it's all the Democrats' fault too, eh? Nevermind who's fault it is that we're stuck there in the first place.

Anyone with an ounce of brain matter knows we can't afford to occupy Iraq forever & we're going to have to leave eventually. When we do, the bad people will be stronger than ever because we gave them the opportunity & the excuse to go into hiding, regroup, stockpile weapons & make new plans.

If DUHbya had a speck of intelligence, he would've attempted to establish a cooperative military presence in Afghanistan. We were already allied & working with the Mujahadeen anyway. If we had gone in there with money & assistance for them to kick the Taliban out & improve their living conditions, they likely would've welcomed us. Why? Because unlike the Soviets, we wouldn't have been an invading force trying to take over the country. It would've been voluntary, cooperative & mutually beneficial to both sides.

We would've been right next door to Saddam breathing down his neck constantly. He wouldn't have been able to take a shit without us knowing about it. Al Queda would've been history in Afghanistan instead of regaining a foothold there like they are now, & we could've run secret missions into Pakistan & possibly had Bin Laden by now.

Not only did Bush commit one of the worst foreign policy blunders in modern history by invading Iraq, but he completely missed & ignored a golden opportunity to establish a real, viable & sustainable presence in the middle east as well.

Bush was a bad, bad mistake.

And THEY call US the "Koolaid drinkers".

You don't know how wrong you are on several levels.

I don't have the time now to explain it to you.

Maybe later.

But the most obvious flaw in your judgement is that the violence has been going down since the start of the surge and just because our media chooses to cover Iraq again it doesn't mean things are getting worse. Our media has been trashing the economy and illuminating the glaring flaws of the Democrat Presidential candidates so much lately that they have been ignoring Iraq. Maybe they feel it's time to go back to screwing with Iraq again. The only stories they seem to be covering lately is how racist Democrats are, the fact that they love to chase $5000 hookers, and they love to cover stories about nut-cases who spent the last 2 years sitting on a toilet seat.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I don't share your views on Russia, but I'm all with the American rights on seeing China as one of the most dangerous threats in the future.
Unhappily Americas appetite for cheap chinese DVD-players and higher profits for Wal-Mart are making sure that China will be a big dog in the future:-(((