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Re: Your tax dollars given to the rich...AGAIN

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recipe for disaster.....yes by god lets raise taxes

Now, since we're talking Hoover, which Presidential candidate has a similar agenda of protectionism and tax increases? Hmmm.

Oh, that's right. Just the other day, one of the candidates for President was saying she'd withdraw from Nafta if the Mexicans didn't do what she demanded, and she wants "a pause" in free trade. She also wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts, more than doubling the rate on dividends back to 39.6% from 15%.

Her Democratic opponent agrees with her, except that he'd raise taxes even more, including by eliminating the $102,000 cap on income subject to the 6.2% payroll tax (12.4% when you include employers), and raising the capital gains tax to at least 25%, and maybe even 28%, from 15%. Add up all of Barack Obama's tax increases and his proposals would get entirely too close to Hoover's top marginal rate of 63%.

Maybe we should be afraid of Hoover's ghost.

Hoover's Heirs - WSJ.com
If it's one thing our elected officials know Imperator, it's that Americans do not know their history. Heck, Hil-liar-y is most adept at re-writing it herself. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this tactic worked for them. Unless McCain and others turn this back on them and start making the real comaprisions between Hoover and the Dems, as you did, the willing accomplices in the MSM will run with it. Of course even then, most Americans probably would not get it anyway. Thinking about it takes away from their American Idol time.
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Re: Your tax dollars given to the rich...AGAIN

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Boy this pisses me off to no end.
Last week our government more or less gave $200,000,000,000 (that's billion) to the worlds largest banks - this was their reward for making loans where there was little to no chance they would be paid - so WE are paying for them.

Well that must not be enough - and the Feds are not the only ones ready to give your money to the richest companies in the nation - now the Congress is getting into the act - if you read the article the Democrats want you to believe it is "relief for the poor".....bullshit...follow the money.



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200billion is far less than those companies have paid in taxes to the federal govt over the years, so think of this as a give back, instead of a give away.
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200billion is far less than those companies have paid in taxes to the federal govt over the years, so think of this as a give back, instead of a give away.
You have got to be kidding.
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Desperate times require desperate measures.
Bear Stearns stock was at 171 a year ago, the $2 price represented about a 99% loss to the owners of the company.
So it's not like we are making the fat cat owners whole.
The Fed is trying to prevent a panic which would destroy the entire banking system, and cost far more than the money they are throwing at the market now.
Unwinding the mortgage mess is going to be a messy costly affair, no matter how it is done, I would rather see the government take action rather than sit on the sidelines and watch the whole thing come tumbling down.
If they do it right, the taxpayer actually makes out.
When Clinton and Ruben stayed up til 4 am working out the Mexican bailout, the taxpayers actually made $100 million dollars.
Unfortunately, the caliber of people in those positions isn't what it used to be, but that is the cost of democracy.


I am in full agreement with everything you say here.

Is that a sign of the apocalypse?
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I am in full agreement with everything you say here.

Is that a sign of the apocalypse?
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But where's that group that's always bitching about the "free market?"


And of course, never mind that benefits are being given to institutions that have never paid for the protections they're receiving. If they want these low-interest loans, fine, but they damn well better expect to have to buy into the system, and to be as regulated as all the other banks.

Otherwise, if there's going to be a panic, let there be a panic. It's about time these bastards accept the consequences for their actions.
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Yes, the Dems will always believe that they can spend our money smarter than we can. There is something inherent in their persona to make them always want more tax money, no matter the effect on the economy.

You prefer deficits so you can also service the interest expense?
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You prefer deficits so you can also service the interest expense?
No, I prefer a much reduced govt with greatly reduced spending, thus decreases in the onerous tax burden we all bear. There are too many people living off the govt (whether through employment or entitlements) and it needs to stop IMO.
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Sounds like someone is resentful of those who through thier hard work and perseverance have made thier lives better. Class envy is such an ugly thing. Remember, 99% of all taxes are paid by the top 1% of wage earners - if the feds need to bail them out they certainly deserve it. The rich in this nation have been persecuted and punished enough.
No, there appears to be a great more scope for punishment yet;

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This is the data for calendar year 2003 just released in October 2005 by the Internal Revenue Service. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% of wage earners rose to 34.27% from 33.71% in 2002.

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Boy this pisses me off to no end.
Last week our government more or less gave $200,000,000,000 (that's billion) to the worlds largest banks - this was their reward for making loans where there was little to no chance they would be paid - so WE are paying for them.

Well that must not be enough - and the Feds are not the only ones ready to give your money to the richest companies in the nation - now the Congress is getting into the act - if you read the article the Democrats want you to believe it is "relief for the poor".....bullshit...follow the money.



Congress to Consider More Government Bailouts

You understand the concept of intrest?

If I won the lotto I would put millions in the bank just to collect interest.

I guess you dont understand how the economy works?

How you think SS works? why you think they the government are against "personal accounts"?
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Not only banks, but the additional plans are to: Bail-out homebuilders who made a fortune over the last 15 or so years, & who were also instrumental in unqualified buyers obtaining high risk loans? "Make that sale, whatever it takes, attitude."

Then, they want to bail out the irresponsible home-owners that bought a home they could not afford in the first place? With nothing down, they somehow qualified for mega-mega bucks. When the payment went up, it was easy for them to walk on the mortgage. They had no colateral (cash down) to lose. Then we have our fix it & flipers. Investors who bought a home one month, did a little painting, & sold for major profit the next month. I can't believe that "Flip that house", is still shown on T.V. Many of them got caught up in this. Now, some of them own several properties that they couldn't sell right away, that are now in foreclosure.

58 million Americans own homes today. 4 million of them are in default, because of greedy mortgage brokers, & irresponsible home buyers, who now want us to believe that they didn't understand what an ARM (adjustable rate mortgage was.) This means that 54 million of us still make our mortgage payments on time, & are not in default.

We saw the Federal Reserve Bank jump in to save Bear Stearns, due to the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Former fed chairman Allan Greenspan states that the current federal reserve "overstepped" it's boundaries. Some are blaming Greenspan for the current crisis, because he apparently introduced the adjustable rate mortgage, back in the 1990's. Who knows?

What I have a problem with, is that millions of Americans got slammed when the high-tech bubble & stock market came crashing down. They didn't get bailed out. Employees or investors of Enron, Worldcom & other companies didn't get bailed out. Americans lost their jobs, their retirements, their homes, & about everything they had worked for all their lives. No bailout.

Yet now, congress & democrat Presidential candidates are rushing in to ease the pain. Which means, the other 54 million of us, who maintain our credit & who often times work two jobs to pay the bills, get stuck for the tab for the 4 million who don't.

The only candidate who says no bail out is John McCain.

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You understand the concept of intrest?

If I won the lotto I would put millions in the bank just to collect interest.

I guess you dont understand how the economy works?

How you think SS works? why you think they the government are against "personal accounts"?


If there were personal accounts, the government couldn't get their hands on it. That's why they're against it.
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I have mixed feelings about this. I do think that in this case something should also be done to help those that actually lost their houses. I don't think it is a good idea to do either because it encourages risky behavior. Then again a really bad liquidity crisis would eventually filter down and be trouble for everybody. It's a case in which on principle I'm against this action but I know that things could be really bad if it isn't done. No good answer.
So are we to continually bail out Americans who make bad financial decisions?
If that's the case, then I'll be one of the first in line, for some of the mistakes I have made with investments. "With my hand out ready to take your money."

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You're joking right? You do realize that while the poor are being foreclosed upon the rich are taking their money out of the stock market causing it to drop, and buying up all of the land across the country. Donald Trump is doing cartwheels while the lower class gets taxed beyond its means. Oh yes, I feel horrible for the rich.
I doubt there was anyone forcing those "poor" people to buy homes, that they couldn't afford. I have taken out many mortgages in my 55 years. Buyers have to sign an agreement called a full disclosure statement regarding the terms of their mortgage, long before the loan closes. They then have 3 days to reject the terms of the mortgage & back out.

This is the fault of greedy mortgage brokers, & ignorant homebuyers that went for an adjustable rate mortgage, in order to get more house than they could afford. It's the bank, the homeowners, the underwriters fault, & I don't feel sorry for any of them.

I sure don't want to pay for any of their bad financial decisions.
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read the fine print ,,,, even Mcain is for the bail out... where does one think that he is getting his money?

From what I have read, the only ones not truely in the pockets of the much hated rich and large corp would be one of the other parties running some one for President.
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