Oil hits $114/barrel - No end in sight. - Page 10 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Norrin Radd · #**136** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

Oil at 135 dollars a barrel and in US occupied Iraq we aren't even able to make sure the oil being pumped is not being used to fund insurgents.........

Wasn't the oil supposed to help with the rebuilding? Instead some of it is being diverted to help finance our enemies?

The sea of oil under Iraq is supposed to rebuild the nation, then make it prosper. But at least one-third, and possibly much more, of the fuel from Iraq’s largest refinery here is diverted to the black market, according to American military officials. Tankers are hijacked, drivers are bribed, papers are forged and meters are manipulated — and some of the earnings go to insurgents who are still killing more than 100 Iraqis a week.

“It’s the money pit of the insurgency,” said Capt. Joe Da Silva, who commands several platoons stationed at the refinery.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/wo...insurgent.html

wtf?

This has been going on for years now. There are numerous stories from 2007 and before about the Iraq black market oil being used to help fund our enemies, yet nothing has been done.

wtf?

How can anyone have an ounce of trust for our government is beyond me.

Maybe when gasoline hits 6-7 dollars a gallon people will wake up, but I won't be holding my breath.

underboss · #**137** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

So from this thread we learn that oil went from $20 before the war to $135 now and probably will hit $200 in a year.

Since this war has proven to be ruinous for American taxpayers, the fact that food prices have risen to levels where even in America - once the "bread basket of the world" has had to ration food, and that Americans are having a terrible time paying for gas, clothing, food, mortgages, etc....

Why would McCain want to continue this war that obviously is harming Americans? Why does he want 700 military bases in 130 countries when we cannot afford it? Especially since the war is making this country more insecure militarily and economically shouldn't we stop war and picking on Iran?

Why not save hundreds of billions of dollars a year by ending the war, reducing the American empire?

I'm sure the cowardly mainstream media doesn't have the balls to ask McCain - but anyone care to respond here?

ViPER · #**138** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

I thought Iraq had nothing to do about Oil ? - this is the effect of making great sacrifice for our friends in Iraq so they can have a Democracy.

whether they want it or not.

groupthink · #**139** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by underboss

So from this thread we learn that oil went from $20 before the war to $135 now and probably will hit $200 in a year.

Since this war has proven to be ruinous for American taxpayers, the fact that food prices have risen to levels where even in America - once the "bread basket of the world" has had to ration food, and that Americans are having a terrible time paying for gas, clothing, food, mortgages, etc....

Why would McCain want to continue this war that obviously is harming Americans? Why does he want 700 military bases in 130 countries when we cannot afford it? Especially since the war is making this country more insecure militarily and economically shouldn't we stop war and picking on Iran?

Why not save hundreds of billions of dollars a year by ending the war, reducing the American empire?

I'm sure the cowardly mainstream media doesn't have the balls to ask McCain - but anyone care to respond here?

sounds like PEACE-MONGERING.... thats unpatriotic...lol...j.k

the reason we dont leave iraq is very simple.... without knowing why we are there....how can we possibly know when its time to come home?

groupthink · #**140** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

to honor the fallen troops...we will lose 1000 more a year.

god bless america

Norrin Radd · #**141** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by underboss

So from this thread we learn that oil went from $20 before the war to $135 now and probably will hit $200 in a year.

Since this war has proven to be ruinous for American taxpayers, the fact that food prices have risen to levels where even in America - once the "bread basket of the world" has had to ration food, and that Americans are having a terrible time paying for gas, clothing, food, mortgages, etc....

Why would McCain want to continue this war that obviously is harming Americans? Why does he want 700 military bases in 130 countries when we cannot afford it? Especially since the war is making this country more insecure militarily and economically shouldn't we stop war and picking on Iran?

Why not save hundreds of billions of dollars a year by ending the war, reducing the American empire?

I'm sure the cowardly mainstream media doesn't have the balls to ask McCain - but anyone care to respond here?

Th answer can be found in the STATE Department paper titled "FREEDOM FROM WAR" as well as the writings of Brzezinski.

Very few government documents are available at a government website from 1961, but this one is available. Why?

Freedom from War (1961)

BRZEZINSKI on Eurasia........

Eurasia is home to most of the world's politically assertive and dynamic states. All the historical pretenders to global power originated in Eurasia. The world's most populous aspirants to regional hegemony, China and India, are in Eurasia, as are all the potential political or economic challengers to American primacy. After the United States, the next six largest economies and military spenders are there, as are all but one of the world's overt nuclear powers, and all but one of the covert ones. Eurasia accounts for 75 percent of the world's population, 60 percent of its GNP, and 75 percent of its energy resources. Collectively, Eurasia's potential power overshadows even America's.

Eurasia is the world's axial supercontinent. A power that dominated Eurasia would exercise decisive influence over two of the world's three most economically productive regions, Western Europe and East Asia. A glance at the map also suggests that a country dominant in Eurasia would almost automatically control the Middle East and Africa. With Eurasia now serving as the decisive geopolitical chessboard, it no longer suffices to fashion one policy for Europe and another for Asia. What happens with the distribution of power on the Eurasian landmass will be of decisive importance to America's global primacy and historical legacy.

A geostrategy for Eurasia by Zbigniew Brzezinski

jviehe · #**142** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by underboss

So from this thread we learn that oil went from $20 before the war to $135 now and probably will hit $200 in a year.

Since this war has proven to be ruinous for American taxpayers, the fact that food prices have risen to levels where even in America - once the "bread basket of the world" has had to ration food, and that Americans are having a terrible time paying for gas, clothing, food, mortgages, etc....

Why would McCain want to continue this war that obviously is harming Americans? Why does he want 700 military bases in 130 countries when we cannot afford it? Especially since the war is making this country more insecure militarily and economically shouldn't we stop war and picking on Iran?

Why not save hundreds of billions of dollars a year by ending the war, reducing the American empire?

I'm sure the cowardly mainstream media doesn't have the balls to ask McCain - but anyone care to respond here?

Simply because one business chose to limit rice purchases does not lead me to jump to "america has had to ration" food. You are being a bit dramatic. But I can of course respond to your main question, which is why not end the war. The answer is of course that ending the war would allow islamic terrorists to take control of Iraq and use it as a base to attack america and its allies, much like they did with Afghanistan. In a process they would also murder thousands of Iraqis, cause many others to flee and eventually create a fascist state where human rights abuses are common. A minor cost of hundreds of billions a year is a small price to pay for national security and freedom for millions of people.

Norrin Radd · #**143** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Simply because one business chose to limit rice purchases does not lead me to jump to "america has had to ration" food. You are being a bit dramatic. But I can of course respond to your main question, which is why not end the war. The answer is of course that ending the war would allow islamic terrorists to take control of Iraq and use it as a base to attack america and its allies, much like they did with Afghanistan. In a process they would also murder thousands of Iraqis, cause many others to flee and eventually create a fascist state where human rights abuses are common. A minor cost of hundreds of billions a year is a small price to pay for national security and freedom for millions of people.

Freedom for millions of people like in Saudi Arabia?

If the war on terror was real, we would have tightened border security in the US and the first place we would have invaded would have been Saudi Arabia.

If the war on terror was real, we would not allow Pakistan to prevent us from searching their country for Osama and terrorist training camps, while increasing their foreign aid more than any other country since 911.

Common sense, you can't buy it at WALLMART.

ViPER · #**144** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

He's been way over his head from the start. bush should step down and beg Bill Clinton to come back to patch things up again. Or perhaps Bill could provide Presidential tutoring.

underboss · #**145** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Simply because one business chose to limit rice purchases does not lead me to jump to "america has had to ration" food.

I bet you only believe what Fox tells you right? You have no clue what is happening in this country or around the word - do you?

The word's food crisis.

Food Rationing in America.

In Haiti, people are eating mud pies because they can't afford food. How far away is Haiti?

groupthink · #**146** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by ViPER

He's been way over his head from the start. bush should step down and beg Bill Clinton to come back to patch things up again. Or perhaps Bill could provide Presidential tutoring.

everything bush did was "by accident"

halliburton stocks have sky rocketed (poor halliburton)
american government expanded power over its citizens yet again (poor government)
blackwater stocks have been skyrocketing (poor blackwater)

i can go on but you get the picture...

yep....that 4 generation war profiteerer REALLLLY dropped the ball... cocain adict bill clinton can save the day...because hes a socialist democrat..

"autta be limits on freedom"

ViPER · #**147** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by groupthink

everything bush did was "by accident"

halliburton stocks have sky rocketed (poor halliburton)
american government expanded power over its citizens yet again (poor government)
blackwater stocks have been skyrocketing (poor blackwater)

i can go on but you get the picture...

yep....that 4 generation war profiteerer REALLLLY dropped the ball... cocain adict bill clinton can save the day...because hes a socialist democrat..

"autta be limits on freedom"

bush's belligerent running of things with the intent to benefit his buddy's has started an avalanche in this country that makes him realize that his careless and selfish methods were wrong. The problem is he isn't capable of being a good or competent manager of anything, let alone this country. and he has no idea where to begin to start with cleaning up the disaster he made.

Clinton has experience turning around the failed policies of a bush Presidency. Clinton would also be a great tutor. But we don't have that kind of time due to the fact that the basic starting sessions would have to be about 7th grade level.

One thing is certain and I realized this in 92 - America can't afford another Republican term. not for several terms anyways.

Americano · #**148** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

Our regular is at $3.95 for the Memorial Day Holiday. That's if one fuels away from the Interstate. Oil is 72% of the cost of a gallon of gas, we're currently using probably $100/barrel oil, so $135/barrel oil should put pump prices around $4.70/gallon. Around the next big US holiday, say 4th of July? I wonder what labor day will bring.

groupthink · #**149** (**permalink**) 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by ViPER

bush's belligerent running of things with the intent to benefit his buddy's has started an avalanche in this country that makes him realize that his careless and selfish methods were wrong. The problem is he isn't capable of being a good or competent manager of anything, let alone this country. and he has no idea where to begin to start with cleaning up the disaster he made.

Clinton has experience turning around the failed policies of a bush Presidency. Clinton would also be a great tutor. But we don't have that kind of time due to the fact that the basic starting sessions would have to be about 7th grade level.

One thing is certain and I realized this in 92 - America can't afford another Republican term. not for several terms anyways.

Quote:

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."--

Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a