I view it more as being trapped by all encompassing, disastrous government foreign and domestic policies that are destroying my country to benefit a tiny percentage of the population.

Without a doubt he has. From what I hear there are a lot of people out there frightened about overall inflation as we're definitely in for some severe economic changes. It's encouraging that in the late '90s US vehicle manufacturers did forecast the end of demand for big SUVs at $4/gallon. Little did they know that demand decline would be so abrupt it would ruin their used vehicle market.

that sounds like a "conspiracy theory"

cooperations that buy and pay for governments just happen to unfortunately make huge profits from coincidence's

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Yes, the journal did a cross country article on suv sales..
Ford which forecast profitability this year is taking it in the neck, primarily due to suv sales slump...looks like they need their own K car and the smaller ecologically efficient designs are on the drawing board again in earnest ala the early 80's faster than they forecast. This also will be reflected in price point and cost per unit build, which is still 20% higher than your average Honda plant in Tennessee for instance. The fact that the dollar buys less and less and they must negotiate the harsh math of labor costs and requests for lower benefits etc. is one vicious cycle is it not?


If I recall that was one of the major reasons Japan ala Honda etc. got a foothold here...then they ratcheted up quality. Detroit refused to design and market cars with better efficiency and quality control. The rest is history.

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Correct, after the '70s gas lines anything and everything that said economy was selling for thousands above sticker and there were year-long waiting lists. The Japanese automakers chose that direction and simply continued improving products they knew would always be in demand. Then came the oil glut in the '80s/90s and US automakers became lazy and decided they'd again tell the public what to drive, producing pieces of crap unequaled in poor quality and inefficiency. What Detroit missed was Kenny Lay and Enron convincing current administration (I'm sure it took a lot of arm-twisting) to eliminate US oil futures regulation in 2000, allowing any speculator to by oil futures on margin. 16-1 leverage goes a long ways in that industry and with that Detroit's SUV ego ruined them.

For the final shot to the head, a convenient regulation exception granted by current administration in January 2006, the ICE (formerly the International Petroleum Exchange) futures trading of US energy futures is not regulated by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), even though the ICE Futures US oil contracts are traded in ICE affiliates in the US. Detroit's hide was effectively nailed to the wall and they began selling assets to remain going concerns.

thats very interesting....I am not aware of the this , and I could piece it together, but you have a handle on it, what are the ramifications of such in laymen’s terms?

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The big crash of '29 was caused by virtually unlimited margin buying of equity stocks and the Fed subsequently choking the money supply, calling for payment on those financed margins. Everyone knows that will never be repeated even if USD goes to nothing value as those markets are now regulated as to leverage.

Lay and others in the energy business recognized that the US was/is a debtor nation maintaining a standard of living based primarily on credit requiring continual monetary expansion with no sound economic basis, only a monster military force, and offered the argument that credit (and monetary expansion) could be expanded to a scope unhindered by any conventional reasoning if a high-demand commodity like oil was used as the basis for speculation. The catch was there could be no US regulation of trading that commodity by the US, the world's largest consumer, for that speculation to succeed. We now have every financial institution in the US including pension funds and homemakers supporting the financing of oil futures at a ratio of 16-1. We're again riding the tiger and guaranteed to be eaten if we get off and the margins are called through regulation. This one has the potential to make the housing bust bail-out look like chump change, a major reason why inventories are kept as close as possible to demand.

Precisely stated.

Back in 1960 I said this would happen and everybody laughed at me, well a 15 year old who talked about economics was just a laughing matter then.

I warned against unbridled capitalism.

And what do we have now ?

A repeat of 29 - 80 years later.

The greed of US, Brit and dutch Oil companies has sent gas prices sky-high in Europe.

The ignorance of would-be-speculators has driven up the cost of living by 100 percent in a mere 7 years.
Yet still there are millions of know-alls stating that capitalism is the only way to go.

Mind you, it COULD be, but only with a certain amount of self restriction and a lot of responsibility by each single individual.

One of the main reasons for Bush to invade Iraq was the fact, that Saddam had just announced to base the oil prices on Euro value and the OPEC was about to follow.

Had this happened, all trading worldwide would have followed suit.
The dollar would have lost it´s standing as world trade currency and would have been reduced to it´s real value: less than 10 Euro cent. A consequence of the US-way of living on credit.

In a final desperate move the global market was invented and pushed to it´s limit in record time.
Thousands of companies and whole economies were destroyed by the greed and manipulations of hedge fonds, yet only a few profited, the vast majority of the hedge fond crowd lost their money. Suits them right.

No fear, the crash will come and very soon at that.

Oil is $ 136 today and will reach § 150 by mid July.
By christmas it will be above $200/barrel

That could well be the end for Ford, GM and Co.

And in times like these. the US have the choice between three economically incompetents for President.
( for Clinton freaks:
Hillary will only do as Bill did before :göbal marketing, expanding of speculations in foreign markets, all poison for an already dead economy and certainly not the way to keep old friends or make new ones.)

So what´s next:

More wars to accomodate the incredibly blown up US arms industy.
( nah, get off the "We must stop the evil others - have a look in the mirror instead)

Lower wages for most working people due to mass sackings in the car industries.

The alternative would be about 40 to 50 million jobless in the US.

More alienation of americans worldwide - who want´s to listen to someone telling all about greatness, leadership and economy when the teller is the one who butchered it all up.

Closed economies worldwide and finally an isolation of the US

Communists and leftists will rise again everywhere - the dumheads have still not realised that capitalism and communism are one and the same worm, only at different ends ( which one is head or ass the future will show. Could be the worm has two asses. )

We´ll still have "Liberals" promoting the free for all yet unable to realise, their way is what brought about the downfall of world economy.

And US citizens will still believe they are the cream of the world despite the fact, that the US were forced to import intelligence for the past fifty years for lack of homegrown intelligence.

It would perhaps be better to TEACH children at school instead of brainwashing them.

Finally: No, I´m not a commie nor a welfare socialist.
If you got to put a tag on me call me a social conservative.

For only if everyone is cared for troubles will cease.

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This should have a much larger impact on oil companies and export nations than any ill-conceived short-term oil/gas boycott:

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A very interesting post.

30 years ago, when I was 15, I learned about how much of the known oil reserves were in the Middle East and after a few moths of reflection, I realized that someday the US would invade the Middle East. It was, in my opinion, common sense.

I did not, however, tell anyone my views. I decided that the people just didn't give a $%^& and I decided to just have fun and not worry about it.

Around 10 years ago, I acquired internet access and started caring again.

I agree with most of your post, except for the closed economies. Free trade is one of the tools the globalists are using to move the countries of the world closer to world government. It is not going to stop. As Richard Gardner, CFR spokesman stated in his piece titled "Hard Road to the New World Order".........

Writing in the April 1974 issue of Foreign Affairs, the flagship publication of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Richard N. Gardner , who has held a number of State Department posts, argued against what he called "instant world government." Instead, he wrote, "the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

And Brzezinski............

In a similar sentiment, former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed to "regionalization" as the key for "globalization" in his address to Gorbechev's State of the World Forum in October 1995: "The precondition for eventual globalization — genuine globalization — is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."

EU/US Merger: New Global Order By Stealth

What I really liked was how you said that.......

"the dumheads have still not realised that capitalism and communism are one and the same worm, only at different ends "

A great quote. Here is another great quote from a US congressman......

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

From the intro to the book "The Rockefeller File", by Gary Allan.

Video from crossfire1983 - RIP Larry McDonald - The Paducah Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group (Paducah, KY) - Meetup.com

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Great posts both of you...very informative.

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[quote=Norrin Radd;1222141]A very interesting post.




Thanks,loved your post.

One of the inventors and staunchest defenders and Protagonists of the "New World Order" is Henry Kissinger.

This "new order" does not mean a world government. Quite the contrary,
It means warring on and subjecting those groups of people or nations that don´t stand to attention when the US blows the whistle.

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By naming G.W.Bush as the one most able to achieve this "new order, Kissinger gave the game away.

Meant is a Nato to rush to any trouble spot at an order of the US President without the US themselves being involved.

Alas, there are a couple of people in old Europe blessed with the ability to think.
And so the European Union was founded to bridle the US ambitions.

Three countries within the EU still tend more toward the US than to Europe, namely Britain, Poland and Italy.
The latter two are mereyl after US handouts but will will eventually fully turn into the EU, they have no other choice.

Britain is by tradition, language and relations close to the US.
But even there people begin to wonder what will happen when a pissed-off Europe tells them to comply or get lost.

Shooting trouble is ok with the EU, but playing the lackey definitely is not.
And the experiences Europe had with ruthless fascists made them weary of the Bushes or any other GOP President.
Just check back to when the US were regarded with distrust by Europeans:
Eisenhauer - France left the Nato. Nixon - for the first time there were US-haters in Europe. Reagan - he was "the cowboy" and the US were mainly regarded as a land of fools who voted for an incompetent guy.
Bush sen. - the EU was in constant alert.
His frequent mentioning of the "new world order" eventually forged Europe together and in his Iraq adventure they clearly told him .This is as far as you go.
As for Dubya, 75 percent of the Europeans distrust and dispise him.
His ruthlessness and ignorance has harmed the US - EU relationship an awful lot.
It will take a long time before Europeans will regard the US again as true friends.

Now to your note about the closed communities.

It is already starting to turn that way. Another four years of Bush-like economy in the US and the whole world economy will collapse as it is tied to close to trade with the US.
Some countries will HAVE TO get into isolation to survive.

Europe has already reduced the atlantic trade and strongly increased trade with the east.
But, given the worst case, Europe could very well live without outside trading.
And by bringing back exported indutries the EU would only get stronger and reduce the numbers of jobless at the same time.
It would also help in getting rid of foreign terrorist groups. A closed Europe might even eliminate the Mafia and other organised crime while in an open world market they can flourish.

Perculiarly enough, some of the richest Americans shift their fortunes into Europe and to India. Seems they are trying to preserve their wealth.

China to my mind, based on close contacts during the past twelve years, is an air bubble about to burst any time now.
Chinese mentality tends to the fast buck by any means (here´s the worm )
Quality work is alien to them and this will bring about the crash landing.

India is different.
There´s still an awful lot to be done to get ALL of the country in swing, but her Universities are besieged by US immigration agents with green cards galore.

Though more Indians these days prefer to work in Europe. The ailing dollar is not attractive any longer.
And even South Korea, once fully dependant on the US is turning more and more to Europe.

So much depends now on who moves into the white house in January.
McCain would be a desaster, of Obama and Clinton most people outside the US would be weary.
Perhaps the Dems should really get their grips together and nominate Al Gore.
Don´t know how you stand to this, but in Europe this guy is regarded as the only able person at present to govern the US.

Enough for now, time for bed, gotta be up early in the morning.

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Hint, you do not need any codes for posting links. Just paste the link without any codes.

The software at this forum does the rest.

Now, to your post. I don't want to go too much into this, but if you are interested in my views, they mirror the views of people like Dr. Stanley Monteith and Dr. Dennis Cuddy.

I could post all my views, but I have already done so at this forum and most people have seen it all before, so here are a few links which I think sum it up pretty well, if you are interested.

This piece is just one chapter from a book which can be read online for free. It is a well researched piece and all of the information covered should be known to ALL people who care about the truth.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/cfr.html

This next piece is a paper in 5 parts.

A Country Defeated in Victory - Part I

This is Chapter 5 of the free book, "The Rockefeller File"

The Rockefeller File: Chap. 4, The Power of Foundations by Gary Allen

The entire book is worth reading, but chapter 5 is one of the key chapters.

I could post much, much more, but I know most people don't have the time that I have to do reading and research. Read them if you are interested.

You see, the president of the US is not more than a puppet. He has been that way for a long time. FDR's son in law told the truth about FDR's ideas, although most people, especially Americans, refuse to believe it.



In 1967 Curtis Dall wrote "FDR -- My Exploited Father-in-law" where he states, "For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the U.S.A. But he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political 'ammunition' as it were, was carefully manufactured for him in advance by the CFR-One-World Money group. Brilliantly... he exploded that prepared 'ammunition' in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people--and thus paid off and retained his internationalist political support."

Concerning the manipulation of financial markets from above, Dall writes that the 1929 stock market crash "was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World-Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of the supply of call money in the New York money market...."

Global Financial Crisis Sweeps the World

Many people are quick to dismiss any information which mentions a conspiracy, but these people are closed minded fools who allow others to tell them what to think. We have had some very well respected men try to warn us about what is really going on, but people don't want to hear it.

By the time the American people realize their sovereignty has been dismantled, it will be too late to stop it. While growth in world trade will likely slow, especially under a worldwide recession, it will not stop. The scam we call "FREE TRADE" is one of the most important tools heading the world towards regional and eventually world government.

On July 18, 1993, CFR member and trilateralist Henry Kissinger wrote, "With NAFTA, [the] U.S. finally creates a New World Order." Kissinger went on:

"NAFTA will represent the most creative step toward a New World Order taken by any group of countries since the end of the Cold War. What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement, but the architecture of a new international system. The trade agreement with Mexico is the vital first step for a new kind of community of nations, a first step toward the New World Order."

One Reporter's Opinion : ... and NAFTA-wards?