How is Dr. Finkelstein wrong? The museum is dedicated to African-American "history" not slavery. It may address slavery but it's focus is not "devoted" to slavery.

I can read Pramjockey; I have visited their website; the holocaust museum focuses on the Nazi treatment of Jews. The fact that they use the specific term of "holocaust" is indicative of this fact since the term "holocaust" when referring to genocide refers to the extermination of Jews.

In addition; read the email "Si Modo" provided above in his post. Surely you noticed the Jewish centrism?

Ever been there? If not, 1) I highly recommend a visit. 2) You may just find that Finklestein needs to question his infallability from time to time ([edit] and you, his [/edit]).

My thanks to Matt for posting the information about one of the Smithsonian's Institutes as well.

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becasue until you decide to deal wiht the issue as is, not what you wish it to be, this will never end.

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Lets pretend we were back in WWII days; How would you react if I said that the Free French have to lay down arms and stop attacking the Nazi occupiers of France because compromise is needed for peace? You would likely look at me like I was a madman; am I wrong?

Let's remind Finklestein, et al about the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs: Bureau of Indian Affairs

It sure seems to me that Finklestein likes to keep some inconvenient facts out of his rhetoric.

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This is not a "museum" but a government office; this has nothing to do with what he is discussing. I should also remind you that the State Department has a section for monitoring global "anti-semitism;" in fact monitoring global "anti-semitism" is a part of United States law.

I do not know of any legislation or body that is specifically designed to monitor anti-aboriginal or anti-African gentile racism on a global scale.

He claimed that there was not a "museum" devoted to the treatment of American aboriginals or black slavery. All you have provided are links to a government body that is not a museum and a museum that is not devoted to slavery.

I fail to see where or how you have proven that Dr. Finkelstein's "rhetoric" has been in error...

M'kay. Any comment on Matt's post?

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"MattLarson" made the same mistake you made; The "Smithsonian Institute's National Museum of the American Indian" is not devoted to the "extermination" of Native Indians but to the overall history and culture of the Native Indians. Go to their website and see for yourself...

The fact is neither of you have debunked Finkelstein's claim.

Have you ever been there, too? I haven't, so I can't recommend it or not.

It seems as if your gripe is related to the actual title of the museums.

Since I'm in a pretty good mood and feel like joking with you, Frank, I'll attach an image:

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The title represents the focus obviously. I think it is sad that the United States would erect a tax payer funded genocide museum in its capitol to remember European Jews killed in Europe by non-Americans while the acts of genocide committed on American soil do not have such tax payer funded genocide-focus museums in its capitol. This is little situations speaks volumes to me....

About the picture you attached? Just because you cannot debunk the honest claims of Dr. Finkelstein is no reason to accuse me of "whining;" I am debating the issue at hand in a fairly polite manner and if you cannot counter the information I provide it would be wiser to admit that you cannot refute the claim in question at that point and move on...

Not whining, Frank, griping.

And, after the Holocaust, many of those European Jews came here and became naturalized citizens of the USA and those European immigrants-to-citizens have offspring who are citizens.

Hey, does Canada have a Holocaust museum, or an African-Canadian museum, or even a Native American museum? I don't know...just curious (but I imagine they do...just a guess).

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What?

OMGWTFBBQ! They "focus" on one aspect. It's not the WWII museum. It's not the "All the Victims of the Axis" museum. It's the Holocaust museum, and as such it focuses on the Holocaust.

Holy fucking shit! It's a Zionist Conspiracy!!!!

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And as Jewish academic Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein put it:

I think there is something wrong when the United States has a museum devoted to what Germany did to the Jews but it does not have any museum devoted to what America did to its native population, the expulsion and extermination of the Native Americans. It does not have a museum devoted to what was done to Africans brought over here as slaves, yet it has a museum about what happened in Europe. What would Americans think if Germany, in its capital, were to create a museum commemorating slavery in the United States, commemorating the extermination of Native Americans but had no museum devoted to the Nazi holocaust. Of course, Americans would say "that's pure hypocrisy." Well, we are now guilty of the same hypocrisy.

- Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein

Do you know of any tax payer funded museums in Washington D.C. devoted to the genocide of the Rwandan Tutsi's or the Armenians?

Nope. There's no Armenian museum. Nor Rwandan.

Of course, that has jack-all to do with the topic, now doesn't it?



Oh, and Finkelstein? Fuck him. Right in the ear. Come up with your own words.

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So what does this have to do with the issue? The Jews who died were not American while the alleged Native Indian victims of genocide who died on American soil have no such taxpayer funded museum. Foreign European Jews killed by non-Americans in Europe get a museum while Native Americans who lived and died on the land at the hands of your founding settler population get no such memorial.

Does that not strike you as odd? It strikes me as odd...

We have a holocaust museum in Montreal.