Exactly my point. The ACLU is trying to remove any expression of religion from organizations, wheras the constitution, IMO, protects organizations religious freedom. There is no reason the govt cant sponsor a religious organization, as along as all religious organizations have the same opportunity.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

You don't see anything wrong with your tax dollars being used to fund religious outfits? Would you object to being forced to pay for the Scientology Alien-fest?

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How about paying for my Santa Claus Church?

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

And you don't think that Atheists and homosexuals and assorted non-Christians might have a problem with their tax money going to an organization that completely excludes them?

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Plus I would make a few phone calls and have you "talked to."


The way I see the ACLU is that they are there to push the boundaries. I highly doubt that most, if any, of people who work for the ACLU actually support the activities of NAMBLA. In fact, I would lay a lot of money on the bet that they are probably wholly repulsed by them.

But they have to push the boundaries. They are part of the process that draws the societal line. If it wasn't for people like them our rights would just shrink and shrink because there'd be no push-back.

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Damn well said, DL. That's an important point that I've not seen raised before, but I do think is critical.

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So many cowards.

You know who you are.

I do see something wrong with funding orgs like the Boy Scouts, but not because of religion. I dont think the federal govt should be involved in funding any private groups. However I disagree with the ACLUs position that the govt shouldnt be funding them because they are religiously based.

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Of course I think that. People from every group have a problem with what their tax money is spent on. I just dont like the ACLU picking on the Boy Scouts, one of the most positive boys organizations out there, simply because they are based in religion.

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Well, technically, they were picking on the government, not the Boy Scouts.

From what I understand, the original lawsuit was against the Portland Public School System for allowing the Boy Scouts to come in and speak to the students and attempt to recruit them into their organization. They fastened bracelets to all the male students with text on them urging their parents to sign them up. Of course, there were a number of students who were ineligible to join due to religious reasons. The original lawsuit against the school did not seek any monetary settlement, it simply requested that the public school system stop allowing a religious based organization to come in and try to recruit students. They didn't.

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I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

You seem to have trouble grasping the problem.

Boy Scouts weren't targeted because of their religion. They were targeted because the religion discriminates against gays and atheist and were getting tax payer dollars.

It's really hard to make things more clear, unless you're being deliberately hebetudinous.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

That may be your beleif, but it isnt mine. The ACLU has a history of using legal means to interrupt govt sponsorship of specifically christian oriented organizations. Its just nice to see that the courts have so far backed up those organizations rights to choose their own membership and associate freely.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

ACLU also has a history of defending religious people and groups whose rights are being denied by government agencies. That's what they do. They defend civil liberties regardless of whose civil liberties they are. By necessity they sometimes defend and sometimes fight against christian oriented organizations.

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That may be true, but the US is a Christian based nation, therfore any actions againts the Christian faith are inherently anti-American. If the ACLU wants to get off on attacking a religion, they should go after the Muslims; no one will complain.

I would complain if they continued attacking any religion simply because it is a religion. The ACLU is anti religion, not anti-american.

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The ACLU record clearly shows the organization is in fact not anti religion. ACLU has repeatedly represented many religious (mostly christian) organizations over the years from Jerry Falwell to christian student groups to the interfaith needs network.

Your continued repetition of this obviously false accusation is reminiscent of your inability to come to terms with the lack of WMD in Iraq. It appears once you hear a story and make it part of your belief system, no amount of evidence will ever cause you to abandon it.

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