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Old 05-22-2008
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The ACLU record clearly shows the organization is in fact not anti religion. ACLU has repeatedly represented many religious (mostly christian) organizations over the years from Jerry Falwell to christian student groups to the interfaith needs network.

Your continued repetition of this obviously false accusation is reminiscent of your inability to come to terms with the lack of WMD in Iraq. It appears once you hear a story and make it part of your belief system, no amount of evidence will ever cause you to abandon it.
Ah yes, lets bring WMD into it. Nice.
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I would complain if they continued attacking any religion simply because it is a religion. The ACLU is anti religion, not anti-american.
Jviehe, visit this link if you would -

American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU Defense of Freedom of Religious Practice and Expression

There are too many cases for me to list here, so I'll only list the first six.

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Part I: Defending the Rights of Those Identifying Themselves as Christian

The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
www.aclufl.org/pdfs/StPeteLetter.pdf
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/loca...?storyid=57665

The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school's team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
ACLU of Oregon: Nakashima v. Board of Education
http://www.aclu-or.org/site/DocServe...pdf?docID=1861

The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU's client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church. The ACLU filed a religious freedom claim in federal court.
Aclu-wv.org - Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (2007) represents Shirley L. Phelps-Roper, a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, whose religious beliefs lead her to condemn homosexuality as a sin and insist that God is punishing the United States. The protests in which she has been involved have been confrontational and have involved funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. While the ACLU does not endorse her message, it does believe that she has both religious and free-speech rights to express her viewpoint criticizing homosexuality.
American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU of Eastern Missouri Challenges Law Banning Pickets and Protests One Hour Before or After a Funeral

The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin, Inc. (ACLU/WI) 20070201_Pharm_Refusal_amicus_complete.pdf

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-Court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU of New Jersey Defends Second-Grader's Right to Sing Religious Song
I'll just add this one too..

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The ACLU of Georgia (2006) filed a federal lawsuit to help obtain a zoning permit for a house of worship on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church after the city of East Point denied the request.
American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit
Anti-religion indeed..
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Ah yes, lets bring WMD into it. Nice.
Your irrational denial behavior regarding the two subjects is so striking and so similar that a comparison was unavoidable. Sorry about that.
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Your irrational denial behavior regarding the two subjects is so striking and so similar that a comparison was unavoidable. Sorry about that.
You just sound stupid doing it. I dont see why you cant address a topic without resorting to "gotchas" or insulting me personally. If you would like me to just ignore you from now on I can.
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Maybe. But the ACLU is much more important to the well being of the country than the democratic party.
OK.

The ACLU isnt what it was ment to be, at least not today.

Because liberals have a pathological brainwashed hate of Republicans the ACLU is gaining support, thats why. Thats also why they support terrorists and the likes of Iran. They sit back and enjoy there internet while the likes of the NYT column writers push their opinins and brain rapes.

Ask any American Middle Eastern immigrant why he/she left the Middle East. Now do the Same in the UK. You will find the UK has a Ten Fold on Islamic psychos as opposed to the US. Why? because we dont want those psychos in the US and rightly so. Look at those psychos in the UK. Rioting becuse of pork? rioting over cartoons?

I sit back and laugh and argue while these fucks try to take over the world and American new let liberals try to justify them out of hate of republicans that oppose the actions.

It makes no sense, "lets let the enemy in to piss off republicans", "lets oppose danger to piss off republicans". It's baby shit for babies and even the leftist politicians pander to it, look at Obama and that bitch Hillary (to a lesser degree). "Imma tell the liberal people what they want to hear to buy a vote", thats what they think, thats what they say.

You know what I say? I'm logical and realize when I hold my hand over fire I get burnt and I also say to them, "suck my big fat fucking dick" because I dont by there bullshit or even what thay base it on. It's all bullshit in my opinion, both sides. I know we have a valid threat in extremist Islam and it's not some "scare tactic" it's a valid threat. How do I know this? Did Fox News tell me? No, Mahmud Ahmadinejad was blunt when he spoke and people are strapping bombs to there bodies in the Middle East blowing them selfs up in the name of Islam calling them selfs martyrs.

Then liberals say the US uses "scare tactics", look at Islamic TV. They truely brainwash there people and it's so bad that half the public of Iran thinks it's bullshit and condemns it. However some are so extreme they buy it.

What the fuck I say? Open your eyes and see what they have to say, not CNN and other liberal opinions.
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Re: unintended consequence of w's presidency

If this has anything to do with the subject or with my post I can't see the connection. Did you post this here by mistake?
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Insane ramblings FTW?
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I'm not sure what the problem is here. She was not silenced, she did was not thrown in jail, none of her civil liberties were violated, what is the ACLU supposed to do? The University has every right to fire employees if they feel there actions run counter to the ideals of the University.

I work for a milk co-op. If I started writing articles saying how milk is the worst thing in the world, even a private citizen, I could very well be disciplined and fired from my job.
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Old 05-27-2008
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Re: unintended consequence of w's presidency

Too bad the aclu hasn't been able to do anything about the major federal civil liberties infractions of the past eight years
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Too bad the aclu hasn't been able to do anything about the major federal civil liberties infractions of the past eight years
Yes, and it's unfortunate that in our current culture that citizens have fallen asleep at the wheel.

Every single politician that voted for the Patriot Act ought to be fired by their constituents because they didn't even read the bill and let neo-con weirdos write this stuff when no one was looking.

The empire is crumbling rapidly while everyone is getting fat and watching so-called reality shows.

The ACLU? They're vital to the well being of all Americans, not just lefties as some neo-fascist-righties claim.
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Yes, and it's unfortunate that in our current culture that citizens have fallen asleep at the wheel.

Every single politician that voted for the Patriot Act ought to be fired by their constituents because they didn't even read the bill and let neo-con weirdos write this stuff when no one was looking.

The empire is crumbling rapidly while everyone is getting fat and watching so-called reality shows.

The ACLU? They're vital to the well being of all Americans, not just lefties as some neo-fascist-righties claim.
I love it when a Canadian says something about "our" culture and "our" empire.
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Re: unintended consequence of w's presidency

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(1) Yes, and it's unfortunate that in our current culture that citizens have fallen asleep at the wheel.

(2) Every single politician that voted for the Patriot Act ought to be fired by their constituents because they didn't even read the bill and let neo-con weirdos write this stuff when no one was looking.

(3) The empire is crumbling rapidly while everyone is getting fat and watching so-called reality shows.

(4) The ACLU? They're vital to the well being of all Americans, not just lefties as some neo-fascist-righties claim.
(1) As opposed to when? And who?

(2) Have you considered that they did read it and voted for it because they and/or their constituents agreed with it?

(3) Peoples' weight is not your business, nor is how they choose to legally spend their own time.

(4) Yes, but you're harming your cause. Stop calling people who disagree with you "neo fascists" and stop concerning yourself with what people choose to eat or look at on TV. Stop assuming that the people are being duped, or at least provide better evidence than "they disagree with me and have different interests". The complaint that liberals consider themselves better than everyone else is, unfortunately, based on fact.
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Too bad the aclu hasn't been able to do anything about the major federal civil liberties infractions of the past eight years
Are they really infractions if the court rules against the ACLU?
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by my standards they are so I choose to use the word "infractions".

Also many off these cuts into are civil liberties aren't even doing anything like the patriot act. Have we even caught any terrorists with it??
I think we would hear about it if we did
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