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Poetic Justice IMO. This is from a story in the Salt Lake City Tribune

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By many measures, the Bush administration has been bad for civil liberties.
Yet the past seven years have been particularly good for the American Civil Liberties Union. National membership in the organization, which fights for freedom of speech and religion, equal protection, due process and privacy, has doubled since Bush took office in 2001 - an extraordinary spurt of growth for the 88-year-old institution.
"I think it's very much a reflection of the fact that there was a very aggressive assault on civil liberties," said ACLU national deputy executive director Dorothy Ehrlich. "Over the past seven years, many Americans felt their own cherished values were under attack, and they didn't want to sit by."
The ACLU counted about 250,000 members in the final year of Bill Clinton's presidency. Today, the organization has about 500,000 card-carriers, 2,500 of them in Utah.
Fundraising has increased in kind. According the IRS, the nonprofit had about $44 million in annual revenues in the 2000 fiscal year. In the fiscal year ending in March of 2007, it collected more than $80 million.
That's on top of what independent chapters throughout the country collected from their members. For instance, the organization's Northern California chapter - one of the nation's largest and most active - doubled its revenues, from $4.8 million to $9.1 million, between 2000 to 2006.
But it wasn't only in left-leaning locales like San Francisco, where the Northern California chapter is headquartered, that people flocked to support the ACLU. Five-hundred miles to the right - both geographically and politically - in Utah, ACLU membership nearly doubled, up from from about 1,300 at the start of the Bush administration, according to chapter officials.
I guess I can no longer say w has never accomplished anything positive for the country.
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I guess I can no longer say w has never accomplished anything positive for the country.
He reversed the slide of the Democratic party and restored them to power, that's positive.
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He reversed the slide of the Democratic party and restored them to power, that's positive.
Maybe. But the ACLU is much more important to the well being of the country than the democratic party.
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The ACLU is not positive for this country. Lets not forget their defense of NAMBLA and attacks on the Boy Scouts, or the defense of groups picketing outside of war veterens funerals with free speech slogans such as "god hates fags". Heck, theyve even defended SPAM.
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The ACLU is not positive for this country. Lets not forget their defense of NAMBLA and attacks on the Boy Scouts, or the defense of groups picketing outside of war veterens funerals with free speech slogans such as "god hates fags". Heck, theyve even defended SPAM.
Let's not forget their defense of people you don't like?
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I guess I can no longer say w has never accomplished anything positive for the country.
ah yes the old bubble life........*sigh*
..........I think the very fear mongering some accuse bush of regarding the wot ect. is evident here in just another intellectual ( I hesitate to use that word when speaking of the aclu but I''ll try) venue.

The bushshit after 2000 and the supposed rip off of the election, then 911 then the inordinate horror of it all , librarians being frisked etc. of pat. act, did it for them. I’d say that was an effective propaganda campaign that the aclu could not have thought up on their own, but are the clear beneficiaries of.
I wonder who did? Or better yet, who created these as viable points of protest as they were framed and made sure they were creamed from the rooftops??

And of course the irony here is; there IS an ACLU and it does what it does unencumbered and unsilenced…….
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Let's not forget their defense of people you don't like?
They are pretty consistent in their defense of civil liberties, so much so that they often impede on others civil liberties. That is not a positive outcome.
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They are pretty consistent in their defense of civil liberties, so much so that they often impede on others civil liberties. That is not a positive outcome.
For the sake of discussion, might you point out how they're impeding on the civil liberties of others? Nobody has the civil liberty of "not being offended"..
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For the sake of discussion, might you point out how they're impeding on the civil liberties of others? Nobody has the civil liberty of "not being offended"..
No shit.

I love how the righties love to rail on the ACLU, but they totally ignore when the ACLU actively defends causes that they support.
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No shit.

I love how the righties love to rail on the ACLU, but they totally ignore when the ACLU actively defends causes that they support.
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Chris Link, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio, said the focus should be on Ms. Dixon's job performance, and not what she said with her First Amendment right to speech.
I'd bet that when she files suit, if she requests ACLU support, she'll get it. Hell, she may see an amicus curiae brief land in the court, regardless, that defends her right to free speech.
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I'm not sure what the problem is here. She was not silenced, she did was not thrown in jail, none of her civil liberties were violated, what is the ACLU supposed to do? The University has every right to fire employees if they feel there actions run counter to the ideals of the University.

I work for a milk co-op. If I started writing articles saying how milk is the worst thing in the world, even a private citizen, I could very well be disciplined and fired from my job.
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W has always been good to make some funny mistakes and help us have a good start for a bad day.
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For the sake of discussion, might you point out how they're impeding on the civil liberties of others? Nobody has the civil liberty of "not being offended"..
Im pretty sure the courts have decided there is a right to privacy, but maybe that doesnt apply at soldiers funerals. The Boy Scouts of America are a religious based organization, but the ACLU attacked their choice to keep gays out of their group, their freedom to associate.
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Im pretty sure the courts have decided there is a right to privacy, but maybe that doesnt apply at soldiers funerals.
The protests by Fred Phelps were done on public property near the cemeteries where soldiers are buried. Although terrible, they aren't breaking any laws.
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The Boy Scouts of America are a religious based organization, but the ACLU attacked their choice to keep gays out of their group, their freedom to associate.
Wrong. The ACLU attacked government sponsorship of the Boy Scouts of America, because of their religious discrimination (no homosexuals or atheists are allowed in the organization). Not once, that I'm familiar with, did the ACLU try and force the Boy Scouts to admit homosexuals or atheists.
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