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Hmm. I guess firing 50+ for political reasons vs. less than a dozen for the same reasons might be enough cause for most with equitable minds.
The fault that you don't see the difference in each case is either ignorance or malice, I doubt you're ignorant.
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One thing is for sure, Democrats in Congress are once again overstepping their authority in this case and are attempting to bully the Executive Branch.
I believe these Judiciary Committee's have Republican members on there as well.
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Politics as usual. The democrats dont care about the attnys or ethics, they just want a campaign issues. SOmething they can get in the news to attack Bush with to distract from their nomination tanking. Maybe even Obama can get in on it and question rove!
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Great timing.

Scott McClellen is releasing a book in all respects putting another spin on old news during his days as WHCD. He must have started writing it soon after he left the White House. What better way to cash in then by selling a bunch of Libs a piece of fiction telling them what you think they want to hear.

Karl Rove is being called to testify and yet another book trashing the Bush Administration is being released during the same time period.


My..........how convenient.


I would believe half of this opportunistic garbage if it weren't so staged.

I'm not sure if this is about finding out new information or just about selling books to Bush haters.

One thing is for sure, Democrats in Congress are once again overstepping their authority in this case and are attempting to bully the Executive Branch. They are using their positions as public servants to score political points in an attempt to win a Veto-proof majority and possibly placing a Dem in the White House to boot.

If I was Rove I would tell them to Kiss My Ass.

He may not decide to give them any sound bites that they can use on the evening news.

I think they are making a mistake by doing this because he's a member of the media now and his side of the story will get out if they continue to go down this road, unlike before when Rove was restrained by his position in the Administration.
His side of the story isn't under oath, and isn't worth a bowl of spit.

If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, as policy adviser to the president, Karl Rove, was not within his jurisdiction to be directly involved in the US attorney firings.

Congress is within its jurisdiction to investigate abuses of office; period.

Karl Rove can't evoke executive anything; that inherent privilege is exclusive to the president. The most Karl Rove can do is plead the fifth.

And for the record Clinton never fired attorneys for political retribution, they were removed when Clinton took office. The Bush appointed attorneys all received positive reviews from the Justice Department, and were given no reason for their firings. Highly unusual, and do not compare to removals during the Clinton administration at all. The removal of US attorneys during an administration without cause is highly unusual. Bush appointed the attorneys, but when they proved to be too respected as federal prosecutors (i.e. apolitical), Bush replaced them with rubber-stampers, thus politicizing the Department of Justice in an unprecedented way.
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Karl Rove can't evoke executive anything; that inherent privilege is exclusive to the president. The most Karl Rove can do is plead the fifth.
Executive Privilege is for the executive branch. Karl Rove would fallen under that.
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And for the record Clinton never fired attorneys for political retribution, they were removed when Clinton took office. The Bush appointed attorneys all received positive reviews from the Justice Department, and were given no reason for their firings. Highly unusual, and do not compare to removals during the Clinton administration at all. The removal of US attorneys during an administration without cause is highly unusual. Bush appointed the attorneys, but when they proved to be too respected as federal prosecutors (i.e. apolitical), Bush replaced them with rubber-stampers, thus politicizing the Department of Justice in an unprecedented way.
Actually, the removal of US Attorneys for refusing to use their positions to influence elections is not just unusual, it's illegal under the Hatch Act.
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That's all well and good, as long as it is within the law, but when the DoJ is being used as a political hatchet to prosecute imaginary crimes for political gain, which threatens to disenfranchise the voting public, then I believe a line has been crossed which demands, at least, all the facts. And you can't have all the facts until there is an investigation, and people are put under oath. Criminal action can't be taken without the facts, but the Bush administration doesn't want anyone to know the facts, and that is suspicious.

If a stranger is found shot dead in my house, the police are still gonna want an investigation, even if I tell them there's no need to investigate because I'm within my right to shoot and kill strangers in my house.

when the DoJ is being used as a political hatchet to prosecute imaginary crimes for political gain, which threatens to disenfranchise the voting public,

can you provdie an exampple please.

So, its not the firings, its whats beneath? A suspicion?
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And for the record Clinton never fired attorneys for political retribution, they were removed when Clinton took office. The Bush appointed attorneys all received positive reviews from the Justice Department, and were given no reason for their firings. .

You just agreed that they both did it to drive their own political agendas, Clinton retribution was not necessary because he made sure there never would be any case in which there would be any called for as they would be HIS appointees.
Your point makes NO sense.

He got rid of them because they had served the previous admin. and you know it.
You really are trying to thread the needle here and torture logic out of shape. Because he waited to see if they towed his line and since they didn’t he reclieved them he is now the boogeyman?

They all fire them for politics reasons but because its bush hes guilty of playing politics ..well no shit. This as nothing more than BDS.
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when the DoJ is being used as a political hatchet to prosecute imaginary crimes for political gain, which threatens to disenfranchise the voting public,

can you provdie an exampple please.

So, its not the firings, its whats beneath? A suspicion?
This is the primary example:

Justice Dept. Recognized Prosecutor's Work on Election Fraud Before His Firing

Firing Iglesias makes absolutely no sense, unless of course he was standing in the way of the GOP's desire to use their fabricated voter fraud cases to make laws to combat a problem that doesn't exist that result in voter disenfranchisement. The cause and effect is clear, I believe there to be malicious intent to do irreparable harm not only to our justice system, but more importantly, to our freedom to vote.
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You just agreed that they both did it to drive their own political agendas, Clinton retribution was not necessary because he made sure there never would be any case in which there would be any called for as they would be HIS appointees.
Your point makes NO sense.

He got rid of them because they had served the previous admin. and you know it.
You really are trying to thread the needle here and torture logic out of shape. Because he waited to see if they towed his line and since they didn’t he reclieved them he is now the boogeyman?

They all fire them for politics reasons but because its bush hes guilty of playing politics ..well no shit. This as nothing more than BDS.
Sorry you are seriously mistaken, the attorneys in question were all Bush appointees, and highly respected. This is a case where good honest republicans were fired to be replaced by, corrupt and/or inept Bush loyalists.
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This is the primary example:

Justice Dept. Recognized Prosecutor's Work on Election Fraud Before His Firing

Firing Iglesias makes absolutely no sense, unless of course he was standing in the way of the GOP's desire to use their fabricated voter fraud cases to make laws to combat a problem that doesn't exist that result in voter disenfranchisement. The cause and effect is clear, I believe there to be malicious intent to do irreparable harm not only to our justice system, but more importantly, to our freedom to vote.
So let me get this straight, he was let go because complaints came from orgs etc. that he wasn’t investigating at all or vigorously enough....???
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Sorry you are seriously mistaken, the attorneys in question were all Bush appointees, and highly respected. This is a case where good honest republicans were fired to be replaced by, corrupt and/or inept Bush loyalists.
you didn't get my point, clinton fired them because they were not HIS appointees, so bush fires his own and???? so what?????

an no offense okay but please, you are so sick at heart that republican lawyers were fired? I am sorry but remembering our past conversations etc. I am not moved by your grief in this case...come on dude....
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you didn't get my point, clinton fired them because they were not HIS appointees, so bush fires his own and???? so what?????

an no offense okay but please, you are so sick at heart that republican lawyers were fired? I am sorry but remembering our past conversations etc. I am not moved by your grief in this case...come on dude....
Yes, big difference - they were fired for doing their job rather then towing the corrupt party line.
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Yes, big difference - they were fired for doing their job rather then towing the corrupt party line.
ahh so all those bushie attorneys, 90 what 93 of them, would have towed the party line ?

he was smarter he just canned them all, and even IF bush was unsatisfied with these guys, and so what?
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you didn't get my point, clinton fired them because they were not HIS appointees, so bush fires his own and???? so what?????
Ahhh my bad.

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an no offense okay but please, you are so sick at heart that republican lawyers were fired? I am sorry but remembering our past conversations etc. I am not moved by your grief in this case...come on dude....
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