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Re: Rove Served Subpoena

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you didn't get my point, clinton fired them because they were not HIS appointees, so bush fires his own and???? so what?????

an no offense okay but please, you are so sick at heart that republican lawyers were fired? I am sorry but remembering our past conversations etc. I am not moved by your grief in this case...come on dude....
US Attorneys submit their resignations when the administration changes, the new administration accepts their resignations as it replaces them, that's the way it always worked, a group of US attorneys appointed by papa Bush refused to resign (first time in history), so Janet Reno fired them.
When Bush took office, all the US Attorneys submitted their resignations.
New attorneys were appointed by Bush.
It appears each of these 8 were fired for political reasons. Karl Rove wanted one attorney to file charges against a Democrat right before an election, the attorney refused because there was no basis for the charges.
Another attorney pursued charges against a corrupt Republican congressman.
In each case there appears to be a political reason for firing these Bush appointed attorneys, and that is a violation of the Hatch Act.

BTW, Clinton fired three US Attorneys that he appointed, one for biting a stripper, one for punching a reporter, and a third because of complaints from judges, (he replaced him with a Republican named Robert Mueller, who baby Bush appointed to run the FBI).
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US Attorneys submit their resignations when the administration changes, the new administration accepts their resignations as it replaces them, that's the way it always worked, a group of US attorneys appointed by papa Bush refused to resign (first time in history), so Janet Reno fired them.
When Bush took office, all the US Attorneys submitted their resignations.
New attorneys were appointed by Bush.
It appears each of these 8 were fired for political reasons. Karl Rove wanted one attorney to file charges against a Democrat right before an election, the attorney refused because there was no basis for the charges.
Another attorney pursued charges against a corrupt Republican congressman.
In each case there appears to be a political reason for firing these Bush appointed attorneys, and that is a violation of the Hatch Act.

BTW, Clinton fired three US Attorneys that he appointed, one for biting a stripper, one for punching a reporter, and a third because of complaints from judges, (he replaced him with a Republican named Robert Mueller, who baby Bush appointed to run the FBI).
Yup, that group of attorneys who refused to resign were fired for political reasons.
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Yup, that group of attorneys who refused to resign were fired for political reasons.


Unlike the ones we're talking about here, who were fired for refusing to perform illegal acts.

Seriously, can't you guys get past your partisanship? If Clinton had done a similar thing, the outcry would have been deafening.
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US Attorneys submit their resignations when the administration changes, the new administration accepts their resignations as it replaces them, that's the way it always worked, a group of US attorneys appointed by papa Bush refused to resign (first time in history), so Janet Reno fired them.
When Bush took office, all the US Attorneys submitted their resignations.
New attorneys were appointed by Bush.
It appears each of these 8 were fired for political reasons. Karl Rove wanted one attorney to file charges against a Democrat right before an election, the attorney refused because there was no basis for the charges.
Another attorney pursued charges against a corrupt Republican congressman.
In each case there appears to be a political reason for firing these Bush appointed attorneys, and that is a violation of the Hatch Act.

BTW, Clinton fired three US Attorneys that he appointed, one for biting a stripper, one for punching a reporter, and a third because of complaints from judges, (he replaced him with a Republican named Robert Mueller, who baby Bush appointed to run the FBI).
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Unlike the ones we're talking about here, who were fired for refusing to perform illegal acts.

Seriously, can't you guys get past your partisanship? If Clinton had done a similar thing, the outcry would have been deafening.
please link to the illegal act.
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There's a huge difference between accepting the resignations of all the US attorneys at the beginning of a new POTUS' term and firing a few select US attorneys for refusing to perform political hatchet jobs. If you go back and actually look at Clinton's presidency, you'll find the traditional removal of US attorneys at the beginning of his term, and then a couple of firings for cause; the cause being pretty aggregious violations of ethics or behavior. That is not the case in these firings.

This really isn't an issue of partisanship.
and this has to do with what? he let them go, you don't want to use the “fired”okay. Then don't lets see how it played put way back when-


How NYT Covered Reno Firing All US Attorneys | Sweetness & Light

make sure you check the bold emphasis in the link provided.


ATTORNEY GENERAL SEEKS RESIGNATIONS FROM PROSECUTORS
By DAVID JOHNSTON

March 24, 1993

Attorney General Janet Reno today demanded the prompt resignation of all United States Attorneys, leading the Federal prosecutor in the District of Columbia to suggest that the order could be tied to his long-running investigation of Representative Dan Rostenkowski, a crucial ally of President Clinton.

Jay B. Stephens, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is a Bush Administration holdover, said he had advised the Justice Department that he was within 30 days of making a “critical decision” in the Rostenkowski case when Ms. Reno directed him and other United States Attorneys to submit their resignations, effective in a matter of days.

While prosecutors are routinely replaced after a change in Administration, Ms. Reno’s order accelerated what had been expected to be a leisurely changeover.

its not partisan? uh huh.
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Re: Rove Served Subpoena

For fuck's sake, Imperator. It's well established that at a POTUS transition, ALL US Attorneys tender their resignations. When Clinton came to office, some refused, so they were fired. The same transition occurred when Bush came to office. That is not the issue here, no matter how much you want to try to obfuscate.
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did you read the link pram? He canned them all.....and what of Bush asked for no resginations, these are I beleive the first moves he has made....and I say, so what? have you read the whole thread, I really don't want to reinvent the wheel here.
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Sigh.

Yes. He fired them all, because they didn't tender their resignations at the beginning of his term. Just like Bush after him. It's common practice.

More obfuscation based only on your partisanship. Kind of sad, really.

And what does Rostenkowski have to do with anything?
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hahaha really? so he demands them and takes them, if they had been tendered he would have taken them ipso they are all gone...why?

Why would he remove them all?
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still waiting on the illegal acts btw.
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hahaha really? so he demands them and takes them, if they had been tendered he would have taken them ipso they are all gone...why?

Why would he remove them all?
For the same reasons that all the other POTUSes did.
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please huh, can you answer the question.
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still waiting on the illegal acts btw.
There is nothing to link to - the US attorneys showed the integrity to refuse to commit the acts, and were therefore fired.

One did, of course, actually have the gall to investigate a Republican for corruption. Apparently that was enough for termination.
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so there are nio illegal acts, fine thats all I was asking.

uhm wait what acts? asking someone to commit a crime, well, is a crime.
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