So Reverend Wright preaching about his perceived injustices against black Americans makes him a radical racist? A racist is usually someone who hates someone because they aren't the same ethnicity; not someone who recognizes perceived or otherwise injustices of one ethnocentric group against another. I'll give you radical with Reverend Wright, but I still don't think he's a racist.

Still can't answer the question I see, so I'll ask it again. What's the association between Farrakhan and Obama? And it better be more than Farrakhan's praise of Obama.

You've heard it here first, Mudwhisle (good name--is that like blowing shit?) is the foremost authority on all things American. Please, cry me a river.

I call bullshit on this thread.

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I don't think the issue is whether Hawaii was a state at the time, that's just a strawman

It is a question of whether BHO was actually born there at the date and place he says he was born...

as opposed to just using false documents.

After all, Obasma has proven that he is a liar. So nothing he says can be taken for granted.

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Why, in the land of the free, would someone's birth certificate have their race on it?

And why, in the land of the free, would anyone have to tell the truth about their race and, esp in 1950s and 60s put the holder of said certificate under the threat of possible future discriminination?

I think it goes back a long way to the 19th century. Back to Ellis Island when there was "quotas" of people allowed to immigrate to the USA during the European diaspora.

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Thank you.

Given that the father would no doubt give the designation on the certificate. It seems reasonable that he, as no doubt a proud african should put 'african' on the certificate rather than negro which is a designation given to african slaves by europeans.

In fact I would commend the father for being proud of his roots and I think others should also.

That's just my guess, don't take it for more than that.

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What gives you the impression that the documents are false?

Oh so now Obama is a liar, man you are quick to label Obama a liar, but seemingly will go to your grave before entertaining the though of Bush or Cheney being liars.

I do admit, Obama not allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate directly in a press release is rather peculiar.

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

The parent doesnt have a choice what was put of the birth cert.

The hospital comes to the room, asks the parents a few questions about the name of child and stuff. If the child is mixed they will ask the parents what races of the parents. Not what countries they came from. RACE is the word we are looking for.

My children both have white even though they are mixed and because they look more like white kids than black.

Why cannot people understand that race is not nationality. If someone is from Africa but born in America, and seeing that where are white people from Africa, nationality doesnt describe what race.

Obama cert should read white or negro not Kenyan or African. I think is has been faked. Why? I don't know but something smells funny as why it was photo shopped before they released it, why something as simple a race would be mistaken and why they held out on releasing it to start with.

Farrakhan has been a guest at Obama's former church. When someone like that visits it's a fair bet that all of the prominent church members have had an opportunity to meet him in person. Obama is a typical politician, and he has been trying to rub elbows with radicals and civil rights leaders for years. We just don't have a video of Obama greating him or shaking his hand and he will never admit to meeting him in person or discussing religion, politics, racism in America with Farrakhan. Common sense should tell an objective person this.

At any rate, he does support him because his church gave him an award and he didn't leave the church then. I would have. So until Obama is caught red-handed I would have to leave it to being a very high probablity that he has met him and just won't confess to it.

I really don't see much difference between the Nation of Islam and Trinity United. They are both racist in nature, very political, they both hate whites. The only difference between what is preached in a mosque and at Trinity United is one uses the Koran and the other uses a Bible. Rev. talks about Civil War slavery or slavery of any kind but they are both pretty much the same. They demonize non-members and preach hatred toward them.

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This is not photo shopped. This is real folks.

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That is pretty silly looking. He needs to change that.

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Personal insults. I believe those are against the rules.

Last I checked, freedom was something America stands for. When are you going to start defending that?

It isn't "Obama's former church" in the sense that he used to own it or run it, which is the only sense that would make that fact significant.

Personal insults like "you're wrong", or "I'm being honest".

I guess telling the truth is an insult to you.


Try not to lecture me on freedoms because you seem to have a problem with mine.........as in Freedom to openly express my views on this forum. Anyone who doesn't think America is a total garbage heap, or doesn't think exactly the way you do gets the same treatment from you.

Obama's former church is pretty accurate. Did you run out of something clever to say about that because I don't see your point?

It's a lost cause trying to beat some sense into those who live in denial about Osama...I mean Obama. Obama chose that church. He felt comfortable there. He had no problem listening to the racist political rhetoric that was being pumped out on a regular basis there. That is the point that escapes you.

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Like, "There's nothing American about you." (You were talking to AA at the time, not me.)

Or freedom to criticize your views when you do? Or freedom to point out that those views often include a rejection of freedom, e.g. the freedom of gay people to marry, or of a presidential candidate to attend the church of his choice (or have done so in the past)?

I've found it to be typical of religious-right sorts that they confuse criticism of their views, or even refusal to believe them, with an attack on their freedom to express them. As long as you're not being put in jail or fined for doing so, your freedom has not been attacked.

Accurate yes, precise no. It means more than one thing. In one sense, it's true but says nothing about any relationship between Obama and Farrakhan; in another sense it would imply a relationship between those two men, but it's false. Farrakhan was indeed invited to visit the church that Obama once attended; however, that church is not one that Obama ever ran or owned, and so it's safe to say Obama himself did not extend Farrakhan the invitation; thus, the fact that an invitation was issued (by someone else) is meaningless.

There was no racist political rhetoric pumped out on a regular basis there. The rhetoric that you're calling racist, isn't. (Although it is political.) That's the point that seems to escape you. And in any case, you asserted a connection between Obama and Farrakhan and that assertion was baseless. If you're an honest man, you'll retract it now.

That's an opinion, not an insult.

Besides to some libs that's a positive comment.

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