This thread is about T. Boone Pickens

But I have come to realize that discerning the topic of a thread is not one of your skills.......

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

The thread is about allegations against Kerry - you yourself said so.

Your allegations against Kerry were just as vile as anything the SBVT gang ever said.

Sadly, you'll never man up and answer the question.

But that doesn't mean you won't see it again when you open the door to it, just as you won't be able to walk away from the "pampered losers" comment when it's convenient for you.

Matt

Matt, they lost, what would you call them?
Are you afraid of using the proper English word or would you rather we PC it and call them "Victory Challenged".

And this thread is about a freakin' right wing nut who made a bunch of false accusations, that were repeated ad nauseum by other right wing toadies, knowing full well they were fucking bullshit, but a lot of stupid people were fooled by this crap.
So if I call people who lost losers, and people who lied liars, and people who renege on bets renegers, it's just because I learned English in school.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Who lost what?

Actually I think matt posted the requisite doc.s pickens wanted and terms of the agreement a while back, in Pickens words and they included, medical records, films etc.......as I said let see the evidence, if they proved the case great, I have nothing to lose, I was never to tightly wrapped up on the swift boat gig, I read the book and watched closely and agreed they had some points, some they could not prove as well as it was hearsay, clearly, however, as a former service member, there are terms words, accounts that set off my bullshit detector from both sdies of the fence…..stories of “fuck ups” are told and re-told, they grow as all stories do.

I think kerry was a glory hound fuck up, who got his men in trouble and in the shit because he was to stupid and out of his depth and heres were the films come in as in having had an agenda nthat could get folks killed, that doesn’t make him a bad person or speak to his service as non honorable as he could have taken the other way out, but its still iffy, I can clearly see where these guys were coming from.
His attitudes, the fact he was out of their in less than 90 days, and the reasons why they were glad to see the back of him, all spoke true to me, and I freely admit, these are things that don‘t lend themselves to evidence most times…

My outrage was and is kerrys salute and reporting for duty bullshit at the convention when in fact a few decades earlier he did his level best to paint the military in the harshest terms possible with not a shred of evidence but his effete spiels about Genghis Khan rampages and the like….

The fucking nerve of him to then want to claim the “brotherhood” as one he could politically trade off of is a reason why I wanted his ass deep sixed.

Further; other then Rasmussen ( the guy he pulled form the river) those other jackass’ on the stage were star fucking sell outs inho......




And goober I feel I must again address the reasoning as to why you really give a crap anyway? Democratic soldiers and sailors are the only ones worth rehabilitating or respecting, is that it?

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So, just to be sure I am not misrepresenting your position, you would define John Kerry as a "pampered loser"?

Matt

The fact is clear as day, the swift boat vets were lying sacks of shit, who sold what little honor they had left, to smear someone for political reasons.

And anyone who repeats their discredited lies is in the same boat.

Kerry was a loser too. He went to Vietnam, actually put his life on the line and for what? to be ridiculed by the people who supposedly "respect" the military.

The point is, the real "winners" were the guys like Bush and Cheney and Limbaugh and Quayle, the guys who figured out that only losers went to Vietnam, they all managed to avoid it, and they ended up with the big jobs, the big money and the big houses. And the morons cheer for the very people who avoided the shit that Kerry put himself through, and ridicule Kerry for his actual combat service.

That ought to tell you something.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

you have no idea what you're talking about goober, maybe you should just go back and bash the trailer park dummies and leave it be, kerry isn't from a trailer park so you're safe.



don't even try it, your attempt at semantical flip flopping is going to convince anyone...

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

The fact is that the SBVTs have never made any statements that were proven to be false - least of all by you.


No, Kerry IS a loser.

for as little time as possible.

Kerry did not "respect" the military and therefore deserves none himself.

no, they ridiclule Kerry not for his combat service, but for his lack of combat service, 90 days is nothing compared to the time served by most - and none of them came back lying to the United States Senate in sworn public testimony like Kerry did.

That ought to tell you something.

Kerry deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule - the lying slime ball IS a loser and I am glad of it.

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"We cannot continue to rely on our military .... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Barack Obama, 2008

"My age group was pressured into joining although it was allegedly voluntary. But later on it was compulsory. No one could say no."
Hitler youth, Willi Demf, born 1920

excluding the ignorant - he didn't need to.

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WOW - the blindness displayed here in these forums is amazing. The very term "swiftboating" has earned its definition as follows -

Political jargon used as an ad hominem attack or smear campaign.



John Kerry is a bonafide and decorated war hero, who in his own right - spoke out against Vietnam after he returned. That's two examples of a Great American. Fight for your Country - Speak out for your beliefs.

Shame on all of you who continue to hang on to the fictitious slandering efforts of the Rove machine. Just Dumb Fucks tearing down the good record of a war hero to deflect the fact that bush bumped to the top of the list to serve the air national guard in lieu of serving in Nam - the benefits of a Senators son, who AWOL never completed his service.

Even McCain stands behind Kerry's record.

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dude you are killing me here okay, seriously.....physician heal thyself ..

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

another case of argumentum ad hominum

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no, its another case of the usual do as I say not as I do, and you really don’t even realize it, go look at the message and the emphasis I put on your words and then read your words again.....get it now?

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Yes - keep it in context. When someone who sought 5 deferments to avoid nam in order to subsequently drop out of college heads up swiftboating activities against a true war hero - that qualifies them as dumb fucks in my book.


the 527 swiftboaters based their grievance an a purple heart - anyone care to enlighten me on the specifics - If you hope to prove the case against Kerry, I already know you will not attempt it.

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