the difference is clear - bush avoided Nam - went awol on ANG


and regarding Rove - it's the same 527 - Rove's Swifties up in arms about Obama. Perhaps Rove is getting lazy and knew his dupes wouldn't mind if he just used the same old ploy without creating any new ficticious background.

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To accuse Bush of avoiding Nam by joining the NG is an attack on the hundreds of thousands national guard service men and women who did not servie either. It would also attack those service men and woem who served in europe or the Americas on active duty.

As for Obama, some of the criticism have been statements he made. And like any politician, he does have skeletons in his closet that he does not want the public to see. And the same goes with McCain or anyone else who is ruining for public office.

bush avoided Vietnam ala clinton but at least he served...and so what? How is this germane to the argument?


and once again you engage in personal destruction for your own partisan aggrandizement, you have proof rove was behind the swift boat issue? Or Bush was “awol"....yea, you and Dan Rather....

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And they all deserved the honor of serving in the ANG. except bush - who was bumped to the top of a very long waiting list - the advantages of a Senator's son. His deferment to the ANG took the place of someone who really deserved it - those who wanted to serve in the ANG -

bush was just looking for a way out of Nam - the least bush could have done is complete his duty. Like Rove, could have at least completed college rather then drop out as soon as he was clear of Nam. Yes Clinton sought a deferment on his own. at least he graduated.

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Actually - the Killian documents were authenticated, So Dan Rather was right and was dragged down by slobbering partisan bloggers. This marks the end of true Journalism.

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty, 60 Minutes Has Newly Obtained Documents On President's Military Service - CBS News


bush did not complete his obligation with the ANG -

Bush fell short on duty at Guard - The Boston Globe


Rove connections to swiftboaters -

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I don't know how old you are, but back then the National Guard was the connected man's Canada. Of the 55,000 killed in Vietnam, 100 were National Guard.
Bush got into the Guard, and by all accounts was a pretty dedicated Guardsman, serving in the Champagne Squadron, with the son of the Texas Governor, the son of a Texas Senator and several members of the Dallas Cowboys, (what are the odds of that). He had a good deal.
Then the US went to a lottery system, ask any guy whose in his 50's, he'll tell you his number, and Bush's draft number came up 336, suddenly the National Guard wasn't that great a deal, if he had stayed out of the Guard he would be free and clear, but now he still owed the guard all this time (not a very good deal), so he got a bad attitude and stopped going.

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Do you normally convict someone without a trial VIPER?

From a legal standpoint, your accusations cannot be proven. For instance, the "New CBS" documents were the infamous "Killian Documents" which were later not authentic. The Boston Globe, the other article you cited in the subsequent post, interpreted a set of documents on Bush's service record on active duty. However, the article failed to mention in any way bush was honorably discharged.

Of course, the unit Bush served also include Lloyd Benson Jr, John Conally III, and John R. Bath. Just FYI.

Goober, the problem was based on a policy set by Johnson and nixon not to use national guard units in wartime conflicts, not the mumbo jumbo you just stated. It was not just the 147th Fighter Group, but all NG units. If they were called to active Duty, it was generally Europe or Southeast asia in support roles outside the conflict. The Johnson policy was different from WWI, WWII, and Korea, which included NG units in wartime conflicts. Today, the armed forces use the "Total Force Doctrine."

If US News and World Report is accurate, Bush's discharge may well have been motivated by the same factors which got him into the Guard in the first place. Well, that would seem to support the contention that the well-connected got duty in the Guard as a way of avoiding the draft, wouldn't it?
A LOT of wealthy and politically connected people got to jump the line for the NG, not just Bush. But it doesn't mean Bush was any better than the rest of them.

My personal issue with these people is NOT that they got out of going to war, as NG service is just as honorable as any other branch of the military services. It's when they turned into knee-jerk hawks like Bush who seem to believe military solutions are the first, and ONLY answer to complicated situations.

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Again, it was the AFNG who granted Bush an honorable discharge from Service. To obtain that discharge, one must perform the duties at least adequately. As for the missing drills, that is explained as excused absences and thus not a misconduct issue at all. This is taken into consideration when applying for an honorable discharge. Furthermore, using "armchair quarterbacking" when you neither were in charge nor perform the same duties without political malice or prejudgment, is morally reprehensible. And I would apply the same standard to anyone on Kerry's record of his discharge or service.

Except for one little detail.
Bush was politically connected, Kerry wasn't.

Take for example when Bush was at Harken energy, as a "consultant" getting paid 80k a year, he was on the audit committee, he got a letter from the auditors saying they had discovered accounting irregularities, and would have to restate earnings, he also got a letter from corporate counsel stating that trading company stock on insider information was illegal, Bush sold all his Harken stock the next day, before the restating of earnings was announced and the stock dropped $20/share.

The SEC investigated, and according to Bush "exonerated him".
Not exactly, a file was opened on Bush, and all investigators were taken off the case, and no new investigators were assigned to the case, and the statute of limitations expired.

Special treatment or just a routine administrative foul up?

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

source for this excretement?

or did it come out of your brainhole?

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"We cannot continue to rely on our military .... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Barack Obama, 2008

"My age group was pressured into joining although it was allegedly voluntary. But later on it was compulsory. No one could say no."
Hitler youth, Willi Demf, born 1920

It doesn't matter that President Bush moved and requested a transfer of his duties and missed a period of time during the transistion period - President BUSH EXCEEDED AIR NATIONAL GUARD ANNUAL SERVICE REQUIREMENTS:

Air National Guard Service Period
Minimum Annual Requirement
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush

May-68 to May-69
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 253

May-69 to May-70
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 340

May-70 to May-71
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 137

May-71 to May-72
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush -112

My-72 to May-73
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 56

Jun -73 to Jul-73
Minimum Annual Requirement - 50
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 56

Ref:
Byron York Hill News


Minimum Annual Requirement - 300
ANG Points Earned by Lt. Bush - 954
Honorable discharge.

End of story.

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"We cannot continue to rely on our military .... We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Barack Obama, 2008

"My age group was pressured into joining although it was allegedly voluntary. But later on it was compulsory. No one could say no."
Hitler youth, Willi Demf, born 1920

USNews.com: Bush's military service in question - again (9/8/04)

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