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The list of Congressional accomplishments is as long as the list of Executive accomplishments.
So because the list of Excecutive accomplishments may be weak, it's okay if the legislative list sucks, as well?

That's a pretty fucked up way to look at it...
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So because the list of Excecutive accomplishments may be weak, it's okay if the legislative list sucks, as well?

That's a pretty fucked up way to look at it...
Who said it is ok? I didn't. the two are related - It's called trickle down effect. Replacing this failed administration with New leadership, will bump this stalemate with effective sweeping change we haven't seen since FDR.
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Who said it is ok? I didn't. the two are related - It's called trickle down effect. Replacing this failed administration with New leadership, will bump this stalemate with effective sweeping change we haven't seen since FDR.
So you're saying the Legislative is mired in failure because the Executive is, also?

Okay.

It's easy enough, though, to take the position that the Executive is mired in failure because the Legislative is. You call it "trickle down", when the reality is that no branch of government is superior or subservient to another.

Thank you for illustrating to us how the President's performance has been so bad because we have a House full of ass-hats. That would be, after all, just as fair an assessment as yours...
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Maybe you're too young to remember the oil embargo and gas lines of 1973 and the resulting 55 MPH national speed limit.

CAFE standards and the NSPR went a long way towards insulating us from subsequent threats. You can't call that "nothing."
Maybe you are too senile to remember () that the OAPEC false increases in 1973 paled to compare to the price increases over the mid-late 70's.

CAFE standards and NSPR only stopped it from getting COMPLETELY out of hand, it has done nothing to reduce dependency. In fact gas guzzling vehicles hit all time records throughout the 90's and continued till this year.

Besides the CAFE standards isn't worth the paper it was written on, it has been so dilluted over the years, CAFE reports have been criticized for years as "unscientific" and not considering what effects the price of gasoline has on the type of vehicles Americans bought during this time.
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So you're saying the Legislative is mired in failure because the Executive is, also?

Okay.

It's easy enough, though, to take the position that the Executive is mired in failure because the Legislative is. You call it "trickle down", when the reality is that no branch of government is superior or subservient to another.

Thank you for illustrating to us how the President's performance has been so bad because we have a House full of ass-hats. That would be, after all, just as fair an assessment as yours...
Your forgetting one important thing - an administration that declared Democrats the enemy as modus operandi, is the Anchor of anti-Americanism that cements US in failure.
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Maybe you are too senile to remember () that the OAPEC false increases in 1973 paled to compare to the price increases over the mid-late 70's.
I don't know what this means, but gas lines in '73 were generally thought to be much more objectionable than later price increases.

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CAFE standards and NSPR only stopped it from getting COMPLETELY out of hand, it has done nothing to reduce dependency. In fact gas guzzling vehicles hit all time records throughout the 90's and continued till this year.
It reduced dependency over what it would have been otherwise, though not in absolute terms.

Dependency continued to climb due to population increases and a larger number of cars on the road.



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Besides the CAFE standards isn't worth the paper it was written on, it has been so dilluted over the years, CAFE reports have been criticized for years as "unscientific" and not considering what effects the price of gasoline has on the type of vehicles Americans bought during this time.
The fact is, CAFE caused the average MPGs to rise significantly. That's not "nothing."

It has since fallen slightly, but still not near the level of 1973.
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I don't know what this means, but gas lines in '73 were generally thought to be much more objectionable than later price increases.



It reduced dependency over what it would have been otherwise, though not in absolute terms.

Dependency continued to climb due to population increases and a larger number of cars on the road.





The fact is, CAFE caused the average MPGs to rise significantly. That's not "nothing."

It has since fallen slightly, but still not near the level of 1973.
And this has what to do with reducing our dependency on foriegn oil?
And has what to do with alternative energy?
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Your forgetting one important thing - an administration that declared Democrats the enemy as modus operandi, is the Anchor of anti-Americanism that cements US in failure.
You're babbling.

You should really try to curtail your posting until you have a cogent thought to share. What you wrote up there is meaningless, and does nothing to negate the position that the three branches of government are equal.

If you'd care to discuss that, I'm all ears. But your silly partisan whining is getting old...
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You're babbling.

You should really try to curtail your posting until you have a cogent thought to share. What you wrote up there is meaningless, and does nothing to negate the position that the three branches of government are equal.

If you'd care to discuss that, I'm all ears. But your silly partisan whining is getting old...
They are suppose to be equal - this admin exercises an unlawful immunity to the checks and balances that hamper it's illegal activities.
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And this has what to do with reducing our dependency on foriegn oil?
It's very simple really. Higher MPG = less oil used = lower dependency.

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Not a thing. Unless electric vehicles are counted as very high MPG.
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No you didn't.
Damn. You caught me.
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They are suppose to be equal - this admin exercises an unlawful immunity to the checks and balances that hamper it's illegal activities.
Man, you're really in rare form.

Why would any administration exercise anything which would hamper any of its' own activities??

Would you prefer that illegal activities not be hampered??

You know, you're not even presenting your ignorant points well. Seriously, power down the computer, get yourself a nice glass of warm milk, and go take a nap.

Don't get me wrong; I'll sit here and laugh at you as long as you'd like, but you're making yourself look a lot more silly than anyone here ever has.

And that's sayin' something...
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Man, you're really in rare form.

Why would any administration exercise anything which would hamper any of its' own activities??

Would you prefer that illegal activities not be hampered??

You know, you're not even presenting your ignorant points well. Seriously, power down the computer, get yourself a nice glass of warm milk, and go take a nap.

Don't get me wrong; I'll sit here and laugh at you as long as you'd like, but you're making yourself look a lot more silly than anyone here ever has.

And that's sayin' something...

Haha - you got me!

"That hamper [the prevention of] its illegal activities."
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Re: Bush speech today on lifting drilling ban

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Man, you're really in rare form.

Why would any administration exercise anything which would hamper any of its' own activities??

Would you prefer that illegal activities not be hampered??

You know, you're not even presenting your ignorant points well. Seriously, power down the computer, get yourself a nice glass of warm milk, and go take a nap.

Don't get me wrong; I'll sit here and laugh at you as long as you'd like, but you're making yourself look a lot more silly than anyone here ever has.

And that's sayin' something...
Do you truly not understand what he wrote?

I'll admit it's a little cryptic, but he's saying that bushco ignores legitimate checks and balances on its illegal activities.

The SCOTUS has confirmed this 3 times already.
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Re: Bush speech today on lifting drilling ban

This drilling offshore thing is stupid. Our long term plan must be alternative energy, wind, solar, nuclear, geothermal, and hydrogen. Like someone said in the begining, oil is a crack addiction that we must stop feeding.

A couple days ago I heard about a team of scientists at MIT who made solar panels 10X effective using special dyes or some shit. This is the kind of thing the government and the private sector should be supporting, not more drilling.
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