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Old 07-15-2008
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Umm Nuclear is practical now. If we combined a massive increase in the amount of nuclear power with all americans switching their home heating systems to electric and encourage the construction and sale of plug in hybrid cars we could significantly reduce greenhouse gasses and the demand for oil
Most have already addressed this, so I'll just point out that it takes years to build a nuclear power plant. In addition, once we start using all that uranium, the price of uranium will just go up, putting us pretty much in the same spot we are now.
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Another last ditch effort to gain more points for big Oil on his way out of the white house. This does nothing for Americans at the pump. No mention of alternative fuel efforts - no mention of the vast reserves already being sit on by big Oil. No mention of pumping those vast reserves that have already been drilled in our territories. Blames the Democratic Congress that has been in power for less than two years for the ills of a greedy Oil administration.

Same old tricks that the ignorant will rave and rally behind King Stupid and support his call to boost big Oil.



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President Bush called for drilling in ANWAR from the first day he walked into office, 8 years ago. It was the democrats in the house & senate "along" with republican John McCain that blocked that effort. They have continued to block deep water off-shore drilling ever since. Now that our economy is in shambles due to high fuel prices, it's high time that the idiots in congress lift the ban.

The hypocrisy is: DEMOCRAT HOUSE LEADER--Nancy Pelosi--says no new drilling. She & other idiots claim, it wouldn't matter anyway since the oil wouldn't be online for at least a decade. Well, we are decades away from being green too, with wind & solar. Nothing is going to happen overnight. No matter how green we get, there will always be need for our own oil & natural gas reserves.

At the same time politicians "on both sides" have continually called for energy independence, yet sit on their ass's, & do absolutely nothing to become energy independent. So again--we are totally dependent on foreign countries that hate us. So in 10 years those who support these idiots I will blame for the next war we enter in the middle east over oil.

Releasing our oil reserves will do absolutely NOTHING for the long term, & would bring down the price per gallon only a few cents for a very short period of time.

Obama is against off-shore drilling, yet Californians, considered the most enviromentally conscience are in favor of it. 71% of Americans want us to drill here, & drill NOW. This is something that both democrats & republican citizens agree upon. It's the government that is in the way. So WRITE your senator & congressmen & let them know how you feel about this.

It's no wonder that Americans have the lowest opinion of our government EVER.

PRESIDENT BUSH was right to call for drilling in Anwar 8 years ago.

If we would have we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.

While you keep referring to greedy oil men, you might also want to bring up a very wealthy Texas oil man who is now investing 20 BILLION dollars into wind generation. It takes wealth to do that. So keep complaining about greed, while the average working American suffers over an inept government that is frozen in time.
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Re: Bush speech today on lifting drilling ban

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President Bush called for drilling in ANWAR from the first day he walked into office, 8 years ago. It was the democrats in the house & senate "along" with republican John McCain that blocked that effort. They have continued to block deep water off-shore drilling ever since. Now that our economy is in shambles due to high fuel prices, it's high time that the idiots in congress lift the ban.

The hypocrisy is: DEMOCRAT HOUSE LEADER--Nancy Pelosi--says no new drilling. She & other idiots claim, it wouldn't matter anyway since the oil wouldn't be online for at least a decade. Well, we are decades away from being green too, with wind & solar. Nothing is going to happen overnight. No matter how green we get, there will always be need for our own oil & natural gas reserves.

At the same time politicians "on both sides" have continually called for energy independence, yet sit on their ass's, & do absolutely nothing to become energy independent. So again--we are totally dependent on foreign countries that hate us. So in 10 years those who support these idiots I will blame for the next war we enter in the middle east over oil.

Releasing our oil reserves will do absolutely NOTHING for the long term, & would bring down the price per gallon only a few cents for a very short period of time.

Obama is against off-shore drilling, yet Californians, considered the most enviromentally conscience are in favor of it. 71% of Americans want us to drill here, & drill NOW. This is something that both democrats & republican citizens agree upon. It's the government that is in the way. So WRITE your senator & congressmen & let them know how you feel about this.

It's no wonder that Americans have the lowest opinion of our government EVER.

PRESIDENT BUSH was right to call for drilling in Anwar 8 years ago.

If we would have we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.

While you keep referring to greedy oil men, you might also want to bring up a very wealthy Texas oil man who is now investing 20 BILLION dollars into wind generation. It takes wealth to do that. So keep complaining about greed, while the average working American suffers over an inept government that is frozen in time.
Oil drilling either in ANWAR or off-shore won't produce any new oil anytime soon. Oil is the way of the past, renewable sources are the way of the future. It's time to stop being stuck by the policies of the past.

Even if we started drilling for oil now, with demand skyrocketing all the time, gas prices still wouldn't go down, especially since it would take at least 5 or more years to get at any of that oil.

The best thing to do right now is to save on energy, and to implement wind and solar and renewable sources immediately.

I find it highly ironic that conservatives are never advocates of conservation. Bush gave a press conference this morning and it was, once again, embarassing to watch him getting pressed on energy conservation.

I love he can still stand there all proud and say shit like, "they say we can't do anything anymore, our time is running out.....but we passed a good housing bill......a good FISA bill."

Yeah, really "good".
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Re: Bush speech today on lifting drilling ban

Well it wasn't great like the system we had before but it good enough i guess.

Even though it won't produce any oil tomorrow or even this year or decade (no-one dispues that) the price WILL go down, no doubt, just look at the 6 bucks a barrel it was down today.

Even if you think we need to get off oil while we are still dependant on it, i think most folks would agree the cheaper it is the better.
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My argument is cynical. I don't believe oil will ever go down. Right, it went down $6 bucks today, but we know how corporations work. Now that they've got it at about $4 bucks a gallon, why would they want it to go down? Besides, India and China keep needing more of it, which has raised demand but not the output.

I don't think anything's going to change for the better until wind is powering a quarter of America, like how it powers a good 20-25% of Europe. It would take no time to start putting those turbines up too. And the argument against them? They're not attractive. Fucking hilarious.
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How would that help? Europe has twice the price at the pump than we do.

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Oil drilling either in ANWAR or off-shore won't produce any new oil anytime soon.

Even if we started drilling for oil now, with demand skyrocketing all the time, gas prices still wouldn't go down, especially since it would take at least 5 or more years to get at any of that oil.
On that subject, Bush said something that can't really be argued with. I don't have it verbatum, but his comment was along the lines of "If we'd done this seven years ago, we'd be having a different conversation right now".

Libs bitch about how long it will take to "get the oil", and use that as a reason why we shouldn't do it. At the same time, they ignore the fact that they're the very reason we haven't been doing before now...
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If nuclear is practical, how come no plants are being built?

It's going to take decades to build nuclear power plants. Again, enviromentalists have been blocking those too, for the last 3 decades.

Another problem. OBAMA is AGAINST nuclear power. He's also against off-shore drilling, & he's against more coal, even clean coal technology.

The one thing that he is for is wind generation, which will take decades to bring on line.
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On that subject, Bush said something that can't really be argued with. I don't have it verbatum, but his comment was along the lines of "If we'd done this seven years ago, we'd be having a different conversation right now".

Libs bitch about how long it will take to "get the oil", and use that as a reason why we shouldn't do it. At the same time, they ignore the fact that they're the very reason we haven't been doing before now...
EXACTLY--Libs along with every democrat in congress & the senate.
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Oil drilling either in ANWAR or off-shore won't produce any new oil anytime soon. Oil is the way of the past, renewable sources are the way of the future. It's time to stop being stuck by the policies of the past.

Even if we started drilling for oil now, with demand skyrocketing all the time, gas prices still wouldn't go down, especially since it would take at least 5 or more years to get at any of that oil.

The best thing to do right now is to save on energy, and to implement wind and solar and renewable sources immediately.

I find it highly ironic that conservatives are never advocates of conservation. Bush gave a press conference this morning and it was, once again, embarassing to watch him getting pressed on energy conservation.

I love he can still stand there all proud and say shit like, "they say we can't do anything anymore, our time is running out.....but we passed a good housing bill......a good FISA bill."

Yeah, really "good".
You can quack on all you want about green sources of energy. We all agree. However, you have no argument. It will take decades before we are even 50% efficient with wind & solar.

We will always have some need for oil. Our planes, our trucks will not run on electric power or corn. We will also have to heat our homes in winter. How do you suggest we do that, when we are not allowed to drill off-shore for natural gas reserves? Again, we buy most of that from foreign countries.

Right now, it's your way of thinking that has got us into this mess. It's people like you who have absolutely no understanding of what it is going to take to get green energy on-line: IE: We can put up all the wind-mills we want in a heart beat. But we need the infracstructure back to the power plants to be used effectively. That is extremely costly & will take time.
Nuclear power will take at least 10 years to build, but with Obama has President Nuclear Power will not happen--he's against it.

Conservation? You obviously have not been listening to statistics. This is the first time in 30 years that Americans have cut back on their use of gasoline. It's been dramatic. Prices still have not come down.

Take a look at what this price spike in oil has done to our economy. Right now seniors on fixed incomes are having a hard time buying a loaf of bread. They are worried that the inflation because of high oil prices are going to put them under a bridge living out of a cardboard box this coming winter. It's cost millions of job lay-offs, spikes in prices on EVERYTHING--not just a gallon of gas. Our financial markets are in the tank.

You sit there & defend the most idiotic policy of all. Which is: Keep buying oil from the middle east, so we can support their countries, keep them in the high life, while some of our money is funneled into terrorist organizations that want to kill us all. Which will eventually put us in another costly in lives & treasure war in the middle east.

Then you head to your democrat-liberal political talking points: IE: There's no oil in Anwar, there's no oil off-shore, there's no oil anywhere in our country. B.S--there's just as many as you, that are experts in the field, that say we have more oil in this country than the entire middle east has. Then according to you, if it's there it will take 10 years before we realise benefit. I don't give a damm, I don't want the exact same thing to happen. 8 years ago, we had the opportunity to drill in Anwar & it was people like you that blocked it. Today, had we drilled 8 years ago, it would have made a difference. Now you & Nancy Pelosi are talking about 10 years from now, using the exact same liberal/democrat talking points that were used 8 years ago.

Yes, we all want green renewable energy, including myself. But, I have enough sense to know that we will always have need for oil. Not only for heating & flying our planes, but also as an issue of national security.

If democrats block this bill from being passed, be assured that I & millions of other Americans will not be voting democrat in November.

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EXACTLY--Libs along with every democrat in congress & the senate.
Let's not forget McCain in that too, he's also opposed.
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I heard today that congresses moratorium on drilling offshore expires in September. If this is the case, then if they try to extend it, Bush can veto, yes?
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Yeah.
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No its not a co-incidence, and eventually we will drill in ANWR, its just a matter of time, and when Congress gives it the green light you'll see how much the price of oil falls that very sme day.
The price of oil went down as soon as Bernake relayed the news that our national demand is going down (because of the high prices) and we therefore have larger than expected inventories.

The stock market reacted to this immediately to and Bush's speech came later. I'm not saying that Bush's ceremonial lifting of the ban on drilling had no effect, but it seems it was not the driving force in the price drop.

Incidentally, I'm for drilling offshore.. and in ANWAR... I think both candidates are taking kind of a phony stand on the issue. We need to drill what we can make available to ourselves, but at the same time we need to realize it's only a stopgap measure.
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The price of oil went down as soon as Bernake relayed the news that our national demand is going down (because of the high prices) and we therefore have larger than expected inventories.

The stock market reacted to this immediately to and Bush's speech came later. I'm not saying that Bush's ceremonial lifting of the ban on drilling had no effect, but it seems it was not the driving force in the price drop.

Incidentally, I'm for drilling offshore.. and in ANWAR... I think both candidates are taking kind of a phony stand on the issue. We need to drill what we can make available to ourselves, but at the same time we need to realize it's only a stopgap measure.
Why not pump the massive reserves (already drilled) Oil companies have been sitting on for years?
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