RRRiigghtt, Japan's just full of 'em, yep, Korea, Singapore, most of Europe, just full of little Sten knockoffs, all the Yakuza have one.

Damn, talk about yer organized crime, little factories everywhere, turning out machine guns, whoda thot.

As far as your last para, 'well, you've done some damage John, but maybe we'll let you win this time'

Japan's, Korea, Singapore, and most of Europe have never been the armed society that America is. So pray tell ,just how you would ever hope to round up the billions of firearms in America? The govt calls for a surrender and everyone turns them in? when you develop some kind of plan that has even the slightest aroma of realism, visit again and let us all in on the mechanics of it.
Little factories? When I worked at a machine shop in the 80's there was a paroled felon who worked with us. His basement "factory" put thousands of SMG's and silencers in the anxious hands of anyone with the cash (before the govt busted him). I guess he was just a "rogue".
JD, you will never see America disarmed, deal with it.

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JD, did you ever notice that everyone else is saying you are wrong? Might want to take the hint...

Disarming the citizens is never the solution to armed crime. It's just the cold, hard truth and there's nothing you can do about it. Disarming the common, law-abiding person just RENDERS THEM HELPLESS before their government, and any criminal that had a gun...and yes they will have guns. You see, it is only the LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS that will turn in their guns. What makes dumbasses like you think that criminals who have broken every other law in the book will turn in the weapons that they use to commit the crimes? It's senseless. Purely idiotic.

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They were worse. All were at one time either war-torn, lawless and/or had large and armed armies returning home.

We don't have billions, millions yes, not billions.

My way is through liability insurance. Make people liable for the damage their stolen guns do. You're liable for the damage caused by leaving a refrigertator laying outside but not for the gun you failed to adequately secure? Let some people have to actually pay for the suffering their negligence and stupidity has caused and you'll see people anxious to get rid of them.

Yes, small shops can turn out guns. I've read somewhere that Afghanistan, of all places is (or was) actually one of the world's known manufacturers of fairly heavy caliber anti-aircraft weapons, mostly from small shops using generators for electricity. Nevertheless, if you make the penalties high enough and ENFORCE them criminals actually do stop using guns. Like in Singapore and Japan, it's just not worth it to have the ARMY after you if you use a pistol.

I'm sorry, CH, someday you'll just have to consort with WOMEN when you want sex

For starters........... the bolded text, what is that about????

penalties high? Plenty of capital punishment states, still plenty of murder going on, what? you have a stiffer penalty than that in mind?

Liability insurance as a solution? Yeah, that's what the families of murder victims want, a check and everything is good again. Guns are high on the "to steal" list and when you come up with a way to secure them so they will never be stolen, you will become a millionaire overnight.

And lastly, this isn't Istanbul, Singapore, or Japan..............why don't you start back with that workable plan specifically tailored for America. Good luck now.

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Oh stop being such an unpaid stooge for the NRA. Same old stupid, tired argument they've used for years, and no less dumb.

Look, it's not like you decide to take up a life of crime, go down to the local thieve's guild, and are then given access to the magical and unregistered gun supply emporium. Most crimes are crimes of opportunity and most criminals are never caught, therefore they have as much legal access to guns as you or I. Additionally guns are probably the single most stolen thing in the country, being the only purloined item I can think of where it's illegitimate status is actually a premium in getting rid of it. In any case your argument is historically bogus, Gun prohibition has been done and has worked quite well in many other countries. It could work here.

Oh please, tell us how.

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One who is for a prohibition of guns, doesn't value the Constitution. It's pretty clear that the Constitution does not allow for a prohibition of guns.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Why would anyone trust a government that doesn't trust it's citizens to legally own guns?

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JD, I just have to laugh........a government disarming the public, and the same government that fought a "war on drugs" with the slogan "just say no" Ahhhh stop, you're killin' me.........

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That's one of the reasons the government is TRYING to take away our guns. A defenseless populace makes the government's power absolute. The 2nd Amendment was primarily designed to prevent the Federal government from getting too powerful. We are supposed to be a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

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You're preaching to the choir.

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The NRA is an organization that is fighting DC for protection of our Constitutional rights as citizens...I fail to see what is wrong with an organization like that. And frankly, I'd rather be an unpaid "stooge" as you put it...it's that much more money they can put into lawsuits to protect us from governmental tyranny and ignorant dingbats like you.

Click Here JD

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Josiah

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I was agreeing with you bro.

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The post underneath this one is a lie.

And I was agreeing with you as well. Folks like JD see you and I as "stooges" for the NRA.........hell, we ARE the NRA!
The way I see it, those that would willfully give up their constitutional righs and freedoms are stooges of a government that has failed them in nearly every way. But they aren't unpaid stooges, they are paying stooges, like all taxpayers.
Imagine having a mindset that would trust the likes of Nancy Pelosi and her cohorts to decide when it is appropriate to defend your own life.
Obama has lost the votes of each and every American who has been issued a concealed carry permit, he has made his message clear......even though you passed a FBI backround check, I do not trust you to carry a concealed weapon.
Maybe we should ask JD just what the government does trust us to do...........faithfully pay our taxes? No, they audit us just to make sure. Make a transaction over $10,000 without their being informed? No, we might not pay the tax. Board an aircraft? No, we might be terrorists.
It seems to me that the government is asking us to lay down our [ersonal and legal property (guns) and trust them with protecting our lives, yet they have absolutely no trust in us.
I truly cannot fathom how liberals can muster that blind trust/faith.

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